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Ronin · 08-14-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChickenDewd21

I had to say even though I sit and try to interpret people's posts because that's what you should do when having discussions/conversing, yours are just really hard Ronin. I get what you're saying, it just takes me longer because the way you've worded it all makes me think you are of a foreign nationality. You're like the reading equivalent to listening to Sean Paul's music. >.> Yeah I'm a little high, anyways... back on topic.

There's many reasons why having this food found on each corner is that when there's a Subway (just an example, maybe you don't think Subway's healthy lol) like 3 blocks farther from you than a close & comforting McDonald's you're most likely not going to go the extra mile. Another reason would be people become mentally addicted to that type of nutrition (or lack of) they're receiving. It's just another way to help, would you rather them just blow your tax dollars on more welfare?

Well, tnx for taking the time anyways;
I am natively speaking German, which naturally has much more complicated grammatical constructions in sentences. Even there I was always prone to getting scolded for using too complicated and long sentences in school.
I usually write one and than try to part it into three.

The reason is, that people are not planing their live from birth to death;
Not everyone puts up with calculating calories and such.
If you don't watch you'll only notice when it's getting apparent. If you don't run into some sort of situation where it does, it will get apparent through problems.
In that case, you now have a way of getting help, even if you didn't plan ahead or calculated a risk-dependent plan for a list of worst cases and also bought into any sort of insurance the market offers.

Money from people who didn't do that either will be taken to help you; They shouldn't think they are any better or more deserving, because they didn't take care of their live any better. It's nothing, but luck that took care of them.

Illness isn't all punishment for avoidable mistakes as much as it isn't a punishment of god.
Also people aren't goods, valuable by their output-performance.

Marineking · 08-14-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin

In the way of getting free medical treatment?

Well, can u sell it or something?

Yes. I believe we've had this discussion before, so I wont' go into it right now...

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Is it in national interest to fight your own obesity personally, all by yourself?
Is it in national interest to help to fight other peoples obesity? People aren't forced to do it anyways.

"National Interest" is a political phrase invented to push the agenda's of politicians. It has no real meaning, since there can be no "national" interest. A nation is the sum of it's people, and each person has a responsibility to not be fat if he really doesn't want to be.

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If you don't see the moral obligation (which can be easily constructed even from a "ultra liberal" viewpoint; by not avoiding letting other people eat themselves to death with fat food, food producers are harming them, so they are not morally right to sell almost any sort of food even on the conscious wish of the endangered consumer) you can't argument against the moral right to do it.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean here. Are you asking me if I feel a moral obligation to other people's non-fatness? If so, then you are damn right. I feel no obligation whatsoever (Although that has no real standing here, since I am not a citizen of Argentina...).

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That's the beauty of liberal thinking, it offers no as good as no morals (as in "the moral of the story: don't go into water if you can't swim"), just ethics (as in "telling a kid what is good or bad is limiting it's personal freedom").

I am not a liberal. Your continued insinuation that I am is becoming insulting, to be brutally honest. If you want to discuss morals, then please, PM me. It's a subject I enjoy thinking about and discussing, but this is really not the place.

ChickenDewd21 · 08-14-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin

Well, tnx for taking the time anyways;
I am natively speaking German, which naturally has much more complicated grammatical constructions in sentences.

Pfft, you're not kidding bruh. I gave up on that language. ;/

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Originally Posted by Ronin

The reason is, that people are not planing their live from birth to death;
Not everyone puts up with calculating calories and such.
If you don't watch you'll only notice when it's getting apparent. If you don't run into some sort of situation where it does, it will get apparent through problems.
In that case, you now have a way of getting help, even if you didn't plan ahead or calculated a risk-dependent plan for a list of worst cases and also bought into any sort of insurance the market offers.

Money from people who didn't do that either will be taken to help you; They shouldn't think they are any better or more deserving, because they didn't take care of their live any better. It's nothing, but luck that took care of them.

That's all so true. ;D

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Originally Posted by Ronin

Illness isn't all punishment for avoidable mistakes as much as it isn't a punishment of god.

I get what yer sayin'. o_o In other words, they didn't have any clue it'd happen just like those stories in the bible, it's all anonymously random.

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Originally Posted by Ronin

Also people aren't goods, valuable by their output-performance.

<_> Tell the U.S. government that...