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tskitz · 10-02-2008, 08:16 PM

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Kashis · 10-02-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Beatrix23

Ughh..where to begin. You say your offense only, but still lack so much damage. I out DPS you every day of the week. Let me tell you my build. BTW, its not really mine a lv.161(jap server) told me this is the fastest dagger build to reach 80. Anyways, here it is.

Misc. skills.
10 good luck - +30% luck. This is a must. Luck is what makes you crit so much.
10 Evasion - combine this with physical evasion boots and shield. And watch everything miss you ALOT.
1 Escape - Mkaes you run faster. Even more evasion. Good for saving your life.
5 Eyes of the falcon - +5% crit= same affect as 75 luck
10 Tiger claw - +30% crit damage.
10 Mean attack =20% back attack damage+ behemoth adventure title= +30%
1 coward stab = Now you see the full power of back attack.

Dagger Tree.

5 - dagger mastery(novice)
3 - sonic dagger
3 - assassin dagger
3 - dagger rain
3 - bombing dagger

The skilled and expert masteries are pretty much useless for this build, unless you go melee attack tree. Then the masteries do help much more.
The throwing skills have the lowest cooldown. Even with 3 you can already spam endlessly. So no worrys about attack power. also you will complete it bewlow 70. So you got some skillpoint you can spend on whatever you like.

About the crit damage. With 1k+ I mean I do 1412 damage crits to be exact, on 2 monsters(white ninjas) the same time(dagger rain). On 1 target this can get higher, im lvl56 now. But I never attack 1 target. You cant and never will do such damage at your lvl. So dont even try to compare numbers.

1. I've already stated that i'm a lower level, have lower skills levels, and have weaker gear than you do. You aren't taking that into consideration when you make your calculations. Also In that picture I was attacking two enemies, not one. Your skills are maxed and mine are not. You have a better dagger and your stats are higher and you are most likely counting your damage from behind so of course you are going to do more damage.

2. You seem to forget i have sonic dagger, assassin dagger, and dagger rains. You cannot spam those skills endlessly because starting from the skill with the lowest cooldown time which is sonic dagger, you can get off all three and then sonic dagger again and have to wait for the other two to cool down once again. If you start from the attack with the longest cooldown time which is dagger rains, you can only get off three attacks back to back before waiting on cool down times

3. you do not always attack enemies from behind. the majority of the time you will be face to face with them and hitting enemies once will cause them to turn around. You are only going to get off with that extra back attack damage once before you have to fight them normally (unless like i stated earlier you party with someone and put them into a pincer attack).

4. You are also forgetting that when I get tiger claw, that critical damage will apply to all attacks that critical and like I said before, skills that have multiple hits benefit more from critical attacks than those that attack only once.

5. You will NOT out damage me per second, I already have the three skills you do and have masquerade (dark dagger which at this time i'm unaware of the number of times it hits and damage, but will do even more damage than masquerade)

I took a trip to Dark Moon castle to fight white ninjas.

you can't see the other criticals i think i criticaled 2-3 times on each.

This once again assumes that you hit with all attacks and critical 4 times. And this is on two enemies so the damage is lower than it would be on a single target.

i'll use the 146 since that's all we can see atm.

(146 x 4) + 90 x 4 (150 x 4) <---if mastery (expert) were maxed
584 + 90 x 4 (150 x 4)<----if mastery (expert) were maxed
584 + 360 (600) <--- if mastery (expert) were maxed
Total damage with skill 944 (1184) <---if mastery (expert) were maxed
damage at level 40 with masquerade LV1 frontal damage

mind you, the first attack of masquerade does a little more damage than the other three so the results vary a bit. I just averaged all attacks to be the same.

yeah at my level (40) I can't possibly do the same damage you do at level (54). My point was never "i can do more damage than you at level 40 than you can at level 54" What my point is, is that I will have a greater damage potential than you when we are the same level and even higher once we both get our final attacks.

Oh and another thing, I just checked and a LV1 masquerade hits about 100 points more damage at level than LV1 Dagger Rains no crits, frontal damage.

Arri · 10-02-2008, 09:42 PM

He's level 40, don't bring up skill sets that require level 80+ then say how he has soo much lower damage.

Cereal&Milk · 10-02-2008, 11:35 PM

He's too low in level to discern that. Of course you would do better since you're higher in level with better equipment and higher stats.

Beatrix23 · 10-03-2008, 08:48 PM

Well, since I have 5,2 mil. Ely. I decided to mess around and reset my skills. Costed only like 300k total, book and buying my skills. I made my build like Kashis his dagger explorer. After testing I must admit, I was wrong and this build is is pure carnage and more effective at delivering higher dps. I blindly assumed the build I got from some random guy was the best. Instead of using my brains abit more. Thanks for enlighten me.

I'll get both dark dagger and bomb dagger for better dps. My ingame nick is Dutch, and I'm almost 58 now. Maybe we can meet ingame sometime. I'll gladly help another dagger user.

Cereal&Milk · 10-03-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Beatrix23

Well, since I have 5,2 mil. Ely. I decided to mess around and reset my skills. Costed only like 300k total, book and buying my skills. I made my build like Kashis his dagger explorer. After testing I must admit, I was wrong and this build is is pure carnage and more effective at delivering higher dps. I blindly assumed the build I got from some random guy was the best. Instead of using my brains abit more. Thanks for enlighten me.

I'll get both dark dagger and bomb dagger for better dps. My ingame nick is Dutch, and I'm almost 58 now. Maybe we can meet ingame sometime. I'll gladly help another dagger user.

Lol. It's always best to experiment on all ends first if you can.

10-02-2008, 09:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
Arri Ripples of 495 Years Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,865 Reputation: 115	He's level 40, don't bring up skill sets that require level 80+ then say how he has soo much lower damage. __________________

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Cereal&Milk OnRPG Elite Member! Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,669 Reputation: 82	He's too low in level to discern that. Of course you would do better since you're higher in level with better equipment and higher stats. __________________ Currently Playing: Final Fantasy 11 Server: Caitsith *~Mains~* Stats: SAM 75/ THF 37 Stats: THF 75/ NIN 37 Stats: RNG 75/ SAM 37 Stats: BLU 66/ NIN 33

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10-02-2008, 08:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
tskitz Marios's Mustache Wax Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 8 Reputation: 10	Tries to break all the tension (: Thanks for all the replies!

10-03-2008, 08:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
Beatrix23 Norrin Radd's Nerd Rage Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,665 Reputation: 23	Well, since I have 5,2 mil. Ely. I decided to mess around and reset my skills. Costed only like 300k total, book and buying my skills. I made my build like Kashis his dagger explorer. After testing I must admit, I was wrong and this build is is pure carnage and more effective at delivering higher dps. I blindly assumed the build I got from some random guy was the best. Instead of using my brains abit more. Thanks for enlighten me. I'll get both dark dagger and bomb dagger for better dps. My ingame nick is Dutch, and I'm almost 58 now. Maybe we can meet ingame sometime. I'll gladly help another dagger user.