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lothia · 10-16-2008, 03:24 AM

Well people will argue that a large amount of his beliefs are similar to those of a socialist, so I guess it is time everyone here talks about it, plus it gives time for those bashed on for liking McCain to bash on those who like Obama. (I'm nice aren't I =))
Simply put if this is to take place, anyone who posts for once must do one thing; actually contribute to the debate/conversation.
That being said, a post must contain informative information or a point of view that is based off of facts that are (A) not bullcrap and (

stay on topic.
That's all.

PS: Yeah I know I make a lot of political topics, only real thing that interests me outside of school and gaming atm.

silence086 · 10-16-2008, 03:30 AM

I say it doesn't really matter what u wanna label anybody. Socialist or not, its the ideas that matter not a title like that. Titles only cause ppl to be generalized.

I was sort of in the middle when it comes to who I want to vote for. But after the past couple debates (including tonight) im leaning more towards Obama. I also really liked his plan to help kids pay for college a lot for sum reason. But both candidates have their ups and downs.

Greed · 10-16-2008, 03:34 AM

Can someone explain what a Socialist is in layman's terms? I suck at governmental/political stuff .__.

MarchoftheBlackLions · 10-16-2008, 03:37 AM

Answer: Yes

Reason: George Soros creams his panties at the mere mention of Obama's name.

YouTube Video

Cloud13 · 10-16-2008, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silence086

I say it doesn't really matter what u wanna label anybody. Socialist or not, its the ideas that matter not a title like that. Titles only cause ppl to be generalized.

I was sort of in the middle when it comes to who I want to vote for. But after the past couple debates (including tonight) im leaning more towards Obama. I also really liked his plan to help kids pay for college a lot for sum reason. But both candidates have their ups and downs.

Socialism is a way of thought.

You do realize that the payments for college come from taxpayers pockets?

I do believe Obama is a socialist. Take what he said just today or yesterday, he was talking to a plumber, and it went like this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plumber

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it? ... I've worked hard. I'm a plumber. I work 10-12 hours a day and I'm buying this company and I'm going to continue working that way. I'm getting taxed more and more while fulfilling the American dream."

Obama's reply:

Quote:

"... My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

"Spread the wealth" around is the basic principle of socialism. Socialism punishes the free market system.

Edit: MotBL wins for posting the video of the quote I posted.

MarchoftheBlackLions · 10-16-2008, 03:45 AM

Besides displaying a flag of Che Guevara, he also received an endorsement from the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America for the state senate seat.

I don't hate socialists, but I would never condone it. (a ton of my friends are proclaimed socialists and most of my family including my parents are liberals)

Don't get me wrong, some things like the idea of egalitarianism are great...until you start referring to property and money.

My biggest qualm with an Obama presidency, is the probable move to even more of a nanny state.

*Note* Forgive me if at anytime I make no sense, I've been doing jagerbombs etc haha.

Manic · 10-16-2008, 04:00 AM

I don't really see how this is open to debate, especially when Obama consistently votes to the left of socialists like Bernie Sanders.

Take a look at the Global Poverty Act for example. Is taking money from wealthier nations and redistributing it to the poor not the textbook definition of socialism? Obama has stated more than once that the US will be participating in the GPA should he be elected president. Something tells me that Winston Churchill would not approve.

power_gamer_6 · 10-16-2008, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic

Take a look at the Global Poverty Act as well. Is taking money from wealthier nations and redistributing it to the poor not the textbook definition of socialism?

ROFL Robin Hood was Socialist?!? Awesome! LOL Politics found their way into cartoons!

MarchoftheBlackLions · 10-16-2008, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic

I don't really see how this is open to debate, especially when Obama consistently votes to the left of socialists like Bernie Sanders.

Take a look at the Global Poverty Act as well. Is taking money from wealthier nations and redistributing it to the poor not the textbook definition of socialism? Obama has stated more than once that the US will be participating in the GPA should he be elected president. Something tells me that Winston Churchill would not approve.

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill

Exactly. He talks about lowering taxes, yet wishes to submit to a global tax.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=s110-2433

Not to mention the possible restrictions on our 2nd amendment rights that probably come along with submitting to the goals of the U.N.

girtrute · 10-16-2008, 04:07 AM

obama looked real choked up at the debate today,and he seemd to dance around that apology mccain asked for,"since mccain didnt condone his supporters that reffered to obama as a terrorist'.I dont know why but obama just seems to act like a jerk at the debates.probly obama's worst debate.
Defntly could be considered socialist.

10-16-2008, 03:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
lothia Staff Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kent Washington Posts: 5,213 Reputation: 29	Obama a Socialist you say Well people will argue that a large amount of his beliefs are similar to those of a socialist, so I guess it is time everyone here talks about it, plus it gives time for those bashed on for liking McCain to bash on those who like Obama. (I'm nice aren't I =)) Simply put if this is to take place, anyone who posts for once must do one thing; actually contribute to the debate/conversation. That being said, a post must contain informative information or a point of view that is based off of facts that are (A) not bullcrap and ( stay on topic. That's all. PS: Yeah I know I make a lot of political topics, only real thing that interests me outside of school and gaming atm. __________________ Moderator since Aug 2004. I am a guy. Email me at lothia@gmail.com FFXI Tsukisa: 60pld/30War (retired) The OnRPG War

10-16-2008, 03:30 AM	#2 (permalink)
silence086 `Doll's Dishwasher Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Imaginationland Posts: 1,487 Reputation: 40	I say it doesn't really matter what u wanna label anybody. Socialist or not, its the ideas that matter not a title like that. Titles only cause ppl to be generalized. I was sort of in the middle when it comes to who I want to vote for. But after the past couple debates (including tonight) im leaning more towards Obama. I also really liked his plan to help kids pay for college a lot for sum reason. But both candidates have their ups and downs. __________________

10-16-2008, 03:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
Greed OnRPG Elite Member! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oakwood USA :O Posts: 9,998,999 Posts: 12,038 Reputation: 113	Can someone explain what a Socialist is in layman's terms? I suck at governmental/political stuff .__. __________________

10-16-2008, 03:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
MarchoftheBlackLions Power_Gamer_6's Pick Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Smoothville Posts: 2,447 Reputation: 232	Besides displaying a flag of Che Guevara, he also received an endorsement from the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America for the state senate seat. I don't hate socialists, but I would never condone it. (a ton of my friends are proclaimed socialists and most of my family including my parents are liberals) Don't get me wrong, some things like the idea of egalitarianism are great...until you start referring to property and money. My biggest qualm with an Obama presidency, is the probable move to even more of a nanny state. Note Forgive me if at anytime I make no sense, I've been doing jagerbombs etc haha. __________________ Last edited by MarchoftheBlackLions; 10-16-2008 at 03:58 AM.

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10-16-2008, 04:07 AM	#10 (permalink)
girtrute Shadowsworn's Sandwich Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,840 Reputation: 12	obama looked real choked up at the debate today,and he seemd to dance around that apology mccain asked for,"since mccain didnt condone his supporters that reffered to obama as a terrorist'.I dont know why but obama just seems to act like a jerk at the debates.probly obama's worst debate. Defntly could be considered socialist.