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RenScorch

Hello! Just to let everyone know. I'm a lurker. So if you havn't seen me around. That A,o,k. But let me get to the point, right? I mean who want to hear some one rant about their life? Well not everyone there are those that will for some unknown reason will follow you word for word.

Well my point. I want to make A game. (Oh great you may think. Time to click the back button. Well I say go ahead. If you don't hear me out now. Who say you will once/if your on a team? right?) Well anyways. I was planing on making a MMORTS.

Title: Unknown yet. That a great part. Nothing set in stone and nothing will be. I hate it when people shoot down my ideas so I will do my best not to shoot down others.

Time line: It has yet to be fully decided. But what i would like is it to be a sci-fi/ Space RTS game.

Type of game: 3D MMORTS, space with the 3 XYZ rotation of camera and control of units. Thats what I want to shoot for.

The team size? I'm not shoot for a big team. But I'm not going to turn everyone down once i hit a certain size. Everyone has a talent and the trick is show Me why or how that Talent can be used to better the game.

Team type: You don't have to live near me or far from me. It aslong as we can work and comunicate and we are all good. Oh and friendly to, can have a hostil team we get no work done.

Team skills.

Now this is the hard part. Remimber when i said everyone has a talent. Well Here mine. I suck at every thing. And that how I learn, is by doing poorly at everything I do. I human nature. So Because of that. I'm going to Get a team the compement me and others. so we will get the job done. So I need all talents from story writers to artest from programmers to server experts. I could really use some help.

The type of payment from the game: The love and support of the gamers. Thats the best payments. I hate having to pay to play so why force others to? I mean I can understand needing money to keep things running. So it could run on donations or a market style system. But other wise I shoot for
F2P

If you want to help me with this project. Then please do contact me at RenScorch@yahoo.com. Or in this thread Have a nice day.

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craksy

you have no detailed information about the project
you dont have any skills to contribute with (except from ideas... everyone can do that)
you dont have any kind of proof that the project is gonna be serious!
you proberly dont even have experience with game development
you ask ppl to come and work freely for you
yea right -.-'
thats a classic! you come with all your great ideas, and you are totally ready to make the perfect game! you just need 1 more thing: someone to make the actual work for you...
guess what? you aint gonna get it -.-'
ppl dont work for free, on a project with an unexperienced team leader...
heres how you solve your little problem:
learn, and get good at, one of the skills required to make a game(my personal favorite is programmin :P).
join an excisting project, and be the little slave of the team leader.
when the project is done you will have something very valuable: experience!

when you are done being slave, and staring at the finnished product your team finally came up with (which you actually was a part of developing) you get find your old ideas.
you will look at them and think: "this is not going to get me anywhere!" and begin to make a "sketch" for the game, which can then later be finnished by you and the story writers, and concept guys.

when you got you basic sketch ready, you start to make what ever you are able to do alone!
lets say you where a 3D artist, you would start doing some of the character, and enviroments.

then you come back here and say: "hey! look at my REALISTIC sketch of the game i want to develop! i also have some pictures of characters, and enviroment so you can see that this is "the real deal" and i will actually be contributing to the project my self"

then people would more likely consider joining your project, because its actually realistic!
we have seen WAAY to many dead projects started by "i want to be a game developer, with no skills" noobs, and this project got all the symptoms!

hope you will consider what i have said!
good luck

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RenScorch

you have no detailed information about the project : your right I don't and that why I come up with the IDEA, the basics are in the bag and I gave you a bag to look through, give me your ideas And start something new.

you dont have any skills to contribute with (except from ideas... everyone can do that) Skill I do have I might not be the best at programing but I have some basic C++ skills in the bag. That helps me learn other programming as i said I'll do what I can to help. Ask and I will do my best. and last I checked Ideas are starting to be harder to come by that not a rip off of something else.

you dont have any kind of proof that the project is gonna be serious! Proof in the pudding. If i wasn't serious I won't be posting up for complete strangers to do what you are doing now.

you proberly dont even have experience with game development: you might be right. But I do have experience dealing with a team. And if you don't start some were cause you will be afread of being rejected due to experince. Get out of the system now your not getting far in life.

you ask ppl to come and work freely for you
yea right -.-': Ya I am right I do ask people to come and work for free. For the love a game and the love of making something. If you don't want to come the don't come. I can't force you Your not 12. At least I hope not.

thats a classic! you come with all your great ideas, and you are totally ready to make the perfect game!: If it was going to be the perfect game I won't need you. I won't need help and I don't think I would take a chance. Sorry,but I never said it was the perfect game. I'll be making the bucks and you will be working for some back water out fit Have fun with that.

you just need 1 more thing: someone to make the actual work for you: your right in one thing I need someone, but not just Someone And Some people. People that are willing to work and help and I will help them as well. I won't push or demand, after all It a long term project we work for no outfit and it free to the world. If the game so great. The world can wait, If people didn't help each other we would have very little.

guess what? you aint gonna get it -.-': And guess what Your right, aslong as I don't try.

ppl dont work for free, on a project with an unexperienced team leader...: happens all the time and thing of this one day you will be getting a job for a great programmer company or art school or something and you can look back at that company/school and say "I help make that game."

heres how you solve your little problem: My problems are solved. I Think A head and the great thing about being a noob as you called so many people is the fact is this. "This Noob tried! This Noob did what he could. This Noob at least started some that could of started a chain reaction."


There only one problem =) This noob will do more everytime. failing is not and option. The best point in life is persistence. With out that. Just give up on life my friend Because the Noobs have you beat in life.

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craksy

that thing you posted, is even to basic to be called an idea... rough ideas of what you want to do is good... but not that rough

how are you goin to be contributing to a advanced (strategic movement on 3 axis is kinda advanced), 3D game, with basic C++ skills? you wont even be able to make the main menu -.-'
also nobody has ever said that everything in a game should be original... it just needs some originality to it! i dont suppose that you think you where the first person in the world to make a RTS?
have one original idea, and it will be farely easy to add on to it!

of cause you wouldnt! but it isnt just enough to be serious about it when you start the project! many projects have gone dead, because the team leader gave up half way through the project.
and exactly what am i doing now? i am giving you advise (or at least it is meant as advise)... you wouldnt take advise if you werent serious about it? :S

experience dealing with a team, is not enough! its as much knowing the work flow, of a game development prossec, as it is your ability to work with others... it takes much to be a leader!
and you are comepletely right! you do have to start somewhere! and do you know where that is? on a excisting project with a experienced team leader... with time you will learn from him, and may be a team leader your self!

who would want to work free on a project, that will possibly earn the team leader money? of cause its peoplse own stupi... choice i mean! just saying that i wouldnt :/
and no... i am not 12 -.-'

i know you didnt say it was gonna be a perfect game... my point is that you are getting to excitet about a project, that will never have a successful outcome.

i dont really know if your just joking, or if your actually serious with that, but if so, ill have to disagree with you ...

first of: stop saying "we" because you are not gonna be contributing with anything but your name proberly -.-'

the only people who would have very little, is the people stupid enough to waste there time on a project whit R.I.P writen on it, when they could actually be joining a serious project, where they could earn some money.

yea, keep trying -.-'

or like in your case: look back at... nothing, and say "there could have been something there, if would just have listened to craksy" :P
joking only! no offence, or saying that you are never going to get a job or someting... because you will... maybe!
that was a joke too... or was it? :P
anyway b2t!

yea i think everyone have been in that "noob" state!
i am also on the line between noob, and a serious developer!
its just about getting past that state as fast as possible! you may learn from your downfalls, but your never gonna get anything else, if you dont get past that state.

yes! failing is the only option ppl in this "noob" state know about! they just try again... that doesnt mean that they didnt fail at first.
and stop comparing the computer world to real life, cus you have obviously never been there -.-'

EDIT:
i am sorry for many spelling and grammar errors, but i think i might had a drink too much :/
to lazy to edit it now... just try to understand my rubbish anyway -.-'

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lothia

While the person above me was a bit rash I think craksy has some good intentions.

Let's make this simple, there are three key things you need for a project, ideas, skill and a team.
The first and third of those can be gained throughout the process of creation.
I can tell English is not your first language. So I would suggest taking some extra time making posts.

Your skills: you have a little bit of C++ experience. That is great, lets make that a bit more such as knowing all the basics of C++. This would include making your own basic game with a GUI and maybe using .net to allow connectivity.
There is a big difference between team experience and leading a team. If you are leading the team you need to be very organized, be able to work programs that can connect people, administrate, and more. Starting somewhere is correct, but not at the top. You should start at the bottom or the "middle", but the top is not where you should begin.

Next let us discuss the idea of your skills: If you don't do the programming then you need to learn a skill, the ability to come up with ideas is very hard to sell. If that is the route you are going to take then make a game document expect this to be 40-60 pages. If you aren't willing to make that prior to getting a GOOD team together then forget about it. Or you can try and do artwork, or level design etc.

As well you didn't give much information towards your ideas or plans, something close to 2 pages in your beginning post might have been sufficient in getting people to believe you are actually willing to do this.
That's all I really have to say.

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craksy

yea i actually didnt notice this before i looked through my post...
guess that i just got too excited about making you udnerstand :/
but of cause my intention was so help, or i wouldnt take time to write two large posts about it.

anyway here are some more tips:

if you want to take the epic path of programming (yea if you didnt guess allready, ima programmer), take a look at the Esenthel engine.
it is a really easy to use, engine which only require basic C++ knowledge!
in less than 200 lines i am able to import a world, a character, make him walk, and add a menu!

so, if you only have basic C++ experience and want to get started right away, Esenthel would be good for you!
you can also look at this post where i explain a little more about it!

also, besides from the development forums here at onrpg, you could visit gamedev.net which is a good place to learn!
also you can see on some of the project pages, how much organising it takes to be a team leader!

honestly i hope me and lothia killed your project.
because i belive that the sooner you get out of your dream, the sooner you will be able to make something real

i hope i have helped at least a little or i have wasted my time writing all this <insert bad word here>

-Craksy

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RenScorch

Well, craksy I'm not trying to condemned anyone. Or don't get my attitude wrong I enjoy conversation and help an all. but all I can say is this Didn't make the thread to hear others ideas. and others complants. It there and only there so people can see my project and project idea.

Read my sig. and tell you the truth it been fun, but the thread wasn't for discussion if you don't want to join fine all good. go without comment. if you do want join. cool. send me an email or something. now end it please =)

cause last i check this not a discussion >=( I do salute you for your efforts to deture me

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craksy

you know they dont call it a discussion board for nothing -.-'
as long as my post is not off topic, and i follow the forum rules, its completely my desicion what i want to post....
you cant decide who are allowed to post in the thread, just because you started it!
its like saying "look i made this thing, and i want some C&C, but you can only post if you give positive reply!"

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RenScorch

I don't care about a positive reply or a negative. Read my sig =)

And to tell you another. It not a discussion, Go to game development. Continue, and I'll considered you are Trolling/Flamming.

This is not a discussion thread. I didn't make one. I didn't Ask for what others thought about it. only if they want to join the project.

I'm not being mean. I'm being frank with you, Enough, At some point. control yourself and end your impulse to push the reply button.

Thank you.

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craksy

see that is offending like <insert bad word>!!!

also if your not interested in a discussion, but just individual replies, why dont you just put up a ****ing poster somewhere?

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