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Old 01-16-2009, 05:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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http://www.military.com/news/article...24&ESRC=dod.nl

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January 07, 2009
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Sixteen years after Bill Clinton tried to end restrictions on gays in the military, the U.S. armed forces under Barack Obama may be forced to give homosexuals the same welcome as non-gays.

Under president Clinton, the policy that once saw homosexuals discharged from US military service evolved to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," allowing gays to remain in the military so long as they did not reveal their sexual orientation.

Obama has pledged to overhaul current law.

"The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Discrimination should be prohibited," reads an entry on the president-elect's transition website.

Poll: Should Obama Overturn "Don't Ask Don't Tell?"

Shortly after taking the oath of office in 1993, Clinton originally moved for an outright ban on discrimination based on sexual orientation in the military.

That step, for better or worse, prompted an outcry among top military brass, along with many Republicans and a significant segment of the public.

Clinton quickly came up with his "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" compromise, allowing gays and lesbians to serve in the military as long as they did not speak about their sexual orientation.

The law however still has seen a large number of dismissals of gay service members. Since its enactment, some 12,500 soldiers have been sent packing for acknowledging their homosexuality or after being outed as gay.

Those booted included some 800 key jobs such as Arabic translators, medical staff, pilots and intelligence personnel, according to the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a group which is fighting to end all restrictions on military service based on sexual orientation.

Backers of reform said the move toward loosening restriction reflects a change in societal attitudes.

"There has been a sea change in the way this issue is viewed, especially in light of our national security needs," said Democratic lawmaker Ellen Tauscher.

"We shouldn't be forcing good men and women out of military service," Tauscher told AFP.

The lawmaker is the lead sponsor in the House of Representatives of the Military Readiness Enhancement Act, which would replace "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

"The momentum for repeal has already begun. This summer we held first hearing on this issue in 15 years and recent public surveys show 75 percent of Americans believe (homosexual) men and women should be able to serve openly," the California lawmaker continued.

"My bill to repeal the policy last year had 148 co-sponsors in the House. I will reintroduce this legislation in the coming Congress," Tauscher added.

Even a group of some 100 retired generals and admirals recently appealed for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" to be scrapped.

"As is the case with Great Britain, Israel, and other nations that allow gays and lesbians to serve openly, our service members are professionals who are able to work together effectively despite differences in race, gender, religion, and sexuality," the former military brass wrote in their November 2008 letter.

Many in the traditionally conservative military community continue to have misgivings, but that lack of support should not impede getting rid of the law, opponents said.

"There will always be some people who will prefer the status quo, but people who preferred segregated units (banned in the U.S. military in 1948) didn't leave the military by and large," notes Aubrey Sarvis, director of the SDLN.

Obama will have to be firm in his commitment to ending discrimination against gays in the military, he warned, despite a full agenda of burgeoning crises.

"Of course, the economy has to be the first priority, but it's a matter of developing a plan on how to move forward successfully," said Sarvis, who predicted a new law within the year.

"I take the president-elect on his word," he said. "I think he'll do it."
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Old 01-16-2009, 05:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 01-16-2009, 05:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It'd be amazing of him to end it
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"Anyone dumb enough to wanna be in the military should be allowed in.".

As always, I agree with Bill Hicks. Why does what gender you're attracted to, matter? Your job is to kill other humans in "defense" of your own country. If you're willing to do that, why does it even matter who you f*ck?

These men kill innocent kids with missile fire, they lost their right to morality ages ago.

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It'd be amazing of him to end it
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Old 01-16-2009, 05:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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That's cool. This way, troops can...support themselves while they're away from home.
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It would make them useful. They are just a waste on the planet right now, not continuing the human life cycle.
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It would make them useful. They are just a waste on the planet right now, not continuing the human life cycle.
wow thats just wrong...

why are ppl so closed minded now a days gay people are humans like anyone else they can do what we can and maybe better...its not like gay is a disease that makes it so they cant do anything
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wow thats just wrong...

why are ppl so closed minded now a days gay people are humans like anyone else they can do what we can and maybe better...its not like gay is a disease that makes it so they cant do anything
I agree.

On top of that, if we continue to reproduce soo rapidly, it's only gonna bring destruction anyways

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wow thats just wrong...

why are ppl so closed minded now a days gay people are humans like anyone else they can do what we can and maybe better...its not like gay is a disease that makes it so they cant do anything
If you want to get technical, a good deal of gay people are a waste. Animals, which we are, were meant to reproduce and overrun the Earth with our Animalia children. D:< A lot of them don't bother. They just adopt children.

ADOPTIN' AIN'T YO JOB, FOO'!

@Lastknownhobo, That's why societal restrictions, like the amount of children you can have, take place in places like China.
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