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Norrin Radd

That's what's called a contracted sentence, did you not read that part?

"Are Sony", is a contracted form of "Are (the people at) Sony".

Now, do you want fries with that whoop, or did you just want to stop trying to test The Raddinator?

Yeah.

Wrong.

Money is a singular concept. Monies is the plural or alternative. Money is, monies are.

Regarding the link:

"The Sony GROUP is..".

1) The acknowledge that they are a GROUP.

2) They just see the group as a singular unit, thus they use "Is". I use a contracted sentence which, whilst not popular with American English, is very much grammatically correct ALSO, and very well accepted in English English.

Is that seriously all? I can do this all day, being right and everything.

Naitomea

Unfortunately, that is in no way an example of a contracted sentence..
It IS however a perfect example of bad grammar.
and srsly.. Raddinator? looool
heeer yoo gow haf sum grammur lessuns!

Norrin Radd

No, it's correct.

"Is" would also be correct. WiseGuy isn't wrong, neither am I. You can correctly use both and be in complete compliance with grammatical law.

Do go on, though. I'm interested. Oh, you have. Splendid.

That link simply shows examples, not all possible examples.

Sony IS a corporation made up of? Individuals. It's not called Sony GROUP because there is one man sitting there.

When I say "Are", it is in reference to "The people at.". (The people at) Sony are.

Hence why you say, "They are releasing the PS3.", not "It is releasing the PS3". Both are correct, but one is just more relevant than the other.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/le...r/page51.shtml

Collective, as I said.

The United States is referred to as "Is" and "Are", because it depends what the context is. If you are referring, not to the singular, but to what makes up the singular, then you CAN correctly use "Are". Such as the government.

The government "Is"/"Are" passing a new law.

Both are correct.

Naitomea

Simply removing any random phrase in a sentence, does not make it a contracted sentence.
"Are sony paying you?" <== In no way does that make any sense..
"Sony sells more PS3's in America than (they sell) in Europe" <== That is a contracted sentence.. the proper phrase is omitted, and see how, if you remove the phrase in the parenthesis, the sentence still makes sense?
Now, I have absolutely no clue whether or not its a true statement, it is, however, contracted.

Norrin Radd

How can you say it makes no sense?

"Are (The people at) Sony paying you?".

It quite clearly does make sense. Even removing the middle part, it still makes sense, you just aren't used to it and therefore have taken issue. It's still correct and you're wrong by fact and by grammar. It makes grammatical sense to say "Are Sony paying you?", it just doesn't make sense to you. Watch how much sleep I lose.

I refer to that which makes up the singular, it's still correct, by grammar and by context, which is entirely down to the speaker.

I'd suggest getting over it and getting on topic.

Naitomea

lol I'd suggest to you, getting over it, and getting over your over sized ego..

On Topic: Twice have I had a 360 "red ring of death" on me so, yeah I'd have to say PS3 all the way.

Norrin Radd

It's nothing personal, you were wrong and that's that. This console debate is a healthy one. I appreciate a good debate on grammar, so well done and let's move on peacefully.

The next time you post off topic and aimed at me without any relevance, I will give you an official warning. My PM box welcomes anything else you may wish to say.

hyarume

Grammar, is so funny...

Back on topic PS3
- Has tah strenght
- Has tha free online service thats equal to a paying online service....
- Has Awsomeness...

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PG6sGuitarist

Norrin, that's not the way a contracted sentence works.

I don't know a damn thing about Old English, however, in pertinence to modern English, "are" should never be used to refer to a singular.

"Is the group meeting tonight?" vs. "Are the group meeting tonight?"

Grammatically, only the first one is correct. The second will only be correct if you change it to something like: "Are the people in the group meeting tonight?".

Contracted sentences do nothing to correct the verb tenses you use. Contracted sentences are a way to give the reader the equivalent semantic meaning without having to write the subject a second time.

My creative writing teacher was a stickler from grammar. He gave me a great resource that I've been using for a while. It is the OWL @ Purdue site: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/.

The tiny and extremely insignificant grammatical error is forgiven . The rest of you, quit being ****ing grammar nazis. It's annoying.

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Norrin Radd

I wasn't using "Are" to refer to a singular. What is the genuine confusion here? I'll gladly lay it out.

You can, factually, refer to that which makes up the singular as a plural. Like the example I gave regarding the government. You can refer to them/it as are/is, depending on context.

You're not wrong, but you're not right in the sense that you're not correcting me.

It's perfectly acceptable to say "Are the group meeting tonight?" in the sense of "Are the (People in) the group meeting tonight?".

It depends on context.

It's not a grammatical error. It's nice that you have a creative writing teacher, I've attended lectures by Lisa Jardine. We can go back and forth bragging all night. It doesn't change the fact that my use was correct.

This whole confusion stems from multiple people not being able to grasp the various use of "Are" or "Is".

If something is a singular made up of individual aspects, or in this case individuals themselves, you can absolutely, grammatically and correctly refer to THEM as ARE, by way of just shortening your sentence.

If you don't know that, then you need to question whether or not you have the right teachers.

Although, this minor error is forgiven because it's not really used in America/Canada, so I understand you lot not being familiar with it. It may be an English thing. That does give it weight, though, being English and all.

Point proven; you go back through this thread and look at a majority of people referring to Sony, I guarantee 100% nobody refers to Sony as "It". It's "They", more often than not.

YOU probably say "Are" referring to what YOU call "Singulars". Do you say "Is your family coming?" when referring to someone's family? You COULD, but do you? Probably not, because "Are" is more logical and more reasonable, it's also correct too.

Infact, I can 100% factually guarantee you agree with me, and have referred to singulars that contain individuals, as I do. You know it, I know it, so I suggest you just save face and let it go.

"Them"/"Are" works just as well as "It"/"Is". You factually agree.