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Pok · 03-10-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shniggler

Anyways, I do believe In A God but not so much the one in the Bible. I mean someone had to create this all. If the Big Bang made the universe, what made the big bang?

If god made the universe, what created god? This arguement is just adding in another link in the chain of questions.

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Originally Posted by Gattsu

Sometimes i do but sometimes i don't.
I use to pray alot, i mean alot, and whatever i prayed for actually got worse. I prayed to get good grades, for my family's health, for my mom to be happy since shes been through a lot.

But everything got worse and never better so that turned me away from god completely.

That isn't evidence against a god, that is evidence against a god that cares about the things you care about.

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Originally Posted by Merah Matriz

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

Yes I have, working with fruitflies in a lab. Yes, other people have with discovering strains of antibiotic resistance bacteria.

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Originally Posted by Deimos

another moot point. somone could just as easily point out "the lack of any evidence in favor of god's non-existence".

You can't really argue like that, you need proof to get your idea off the ground (There are purple dinosaurs living in my closet, would need proof of those buggers, not having people coming to try and disprove the fact that they exist [Oh, they went out for lunch right now]).

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Originally Posted by Deimos

are there not contradictions in science? competing theories and constantly changing arguments?

Yes, but you are allowed (and welcomed to if you have valid proof against a them) to challenge a theory, you can't challenge dogma without being a heretic.

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Originally Posted by Deimos

contradiction in religion means that there can be no god??? well do contradictions in scientific theories detract from the following as a whole? no of course not, because we learn.

Well, if a scientific theory has contradictions proving it is wrong, it is thrown out, does this mean that we should throw out religions with contradictions and accept they are wrong but a god might exist with a different interpretation? You're going to piss off more than a few people trying to do that.

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Originally Posted by WerewolfX

Personally i don't beleive in the bible, i think it was some story that some drugged out dude wrote a while back, i think jesus existed but he wasn't the son of god.

I have a fairly similiar idea. I think that the bible was a best seller back in its day, it had a cult status and everyone was reading it because it was so awesome compared to the other stuff (Imagine if everyone suddenly was obsessed with Fight Club or Harry Potter). I also think that Mary was a bit of a tramp and cheated on her husband with everyone she could find (including a certain three wise men who bribed her not to tell her hulking carpenter husband or something) and was somehow able to convince her husband that the boy was from an immaculate conception instead of a cluster**** at the pub.

I may not be right, but I think that story is a lot funnier

IronyTaken · 03-10-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Deimos

sorry dude but i found your reasoning to be quite pat.

an irrelevant question. you may as well be asking "what made the universe?". both questions have no concrete answer so what do you gain by asking them? nothing, except the fact that you are being selective in your questioning to promote your opinion as a fact.

you need to add "in my opinion". nothing you can do or say will ever prove there is a very low probability. and if that is just personal opinon then thats fine, everyone is entitled to one.

another moot point. somone could just as easily point out "the lack of any evidence in favor of god's non-existence".

and as for contradictions in religion...... i know this is only your opinion but things like this make me angry sometimes because i just fail to see how people can be so obtuse.

where does it say anywhere that all holy texts should be in unison with each other? where does it say anywhere that there is only one god AND therefore all religion should be in agreement?

are there not contradictions in science? competing theories and constantly changing arguments?

is contradiction in religion the fault of god... or is it like science, the fault of the man who chooses to interpret it in a particular way?

contradiction in religion means that there can be no god??? well do contradictions in scientific theories detract from the following as a whole? no of course not, because we learn.

almost everyone who goes on about how god doesnt exist uses the same argument. "i havent seen it so its definately not true". you are always so matter of fact, black and white about it.

first off I wasn't saying that the, what made god thing, was a in favor of a universe arguement. I was using it to say it is moot since if you say god made the universe since the universe had to have a beginning then I can say what made god.

second, yes I agree it is an opinion but once I start trying to compare that god to the god of some religion then it becomes fact. When I can compare it to things we can test like the bible then it isn't an opinion.

third, this is your illogical reasoning. Please look over what you just typed. You cannot prove the non-existance of something becuase if something doesn't exist then it will show no eivdence. The burden of proof is on those who say that a god exists.

I think this video will help you with that. Yes it's a video but a very good one.

YouTube Video

fourth I say the very existence of all knowing, all powerfull god contradicts itself. But the holy texts of each religion contain contradiction and false hisotry. Science is an everlasting progress of finding out the facts of the universe. We use the scientific method to start from a hypothesis to end with a theory or law. Science works from the start of coming up with a hypothesis then testing it to come to a conclusion based on results. Religion is backwards they start with a conclusion and try to fit things that go along with it.

If a hypothesis or theory has something wrong with it then it is changed or discarded. A theory or law is the highest form of proof in science and something will stay a theory or law until there is disputable evidence against it. Religion doesn't change.

The reason I believe god doesn't exist is because it has as much evidence towards it's existence as do unicorns, dragons and fairies. Believing in those would be illogical so why would you believe in something with the same amount of evidence which is none.

Urahara · 03-10-2009, 02:11 PM

Didn't Albert Einstein dropout of school because he was too smart.
Anyway, I hope you won't kill yourself when your mom told you Santa and Tooth fairy doesn't exist like last time.

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I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

(Albert Einstein, 1954)

I only believe God as our creator. That's all.

Glavus · 03-10-2009, 02:12 PM

I'm 50/50 on that there is something out there, but I do not specifically believe there is a god. I simply think that if there is someone out there that made the "universe and everything in it" but he doesn't give a sht about what goes on.

Daigo · 03-10-2009, 02:13 PM

Why do these subjects only refer to juudeo-christian god? what about the hindus out there or the nordics that still believe in their roots? Hell what about ancient egyptian or greek deities? Do they exist? If you say no why do you believe any other deity in which ever religion exist over the others. What make yours better than theirs.

I believe in nothing. I don't even have any explanation on why because quite frankly i rather use the time to think of one to play video games or listen to music.

Oisterboy · 03-10-2009, 02:23 PM

I believe in A God, but not your Gods. I believe that the set of rules the world operates on are "God". God is a force, much like gravity, but she is working everywhere and all at once. She stabilizes the seasons and everything that happens around us.

Shes called "Mother Earth".

ferkin · 03-10-2009, 02:35 PM

I believe in god, but i don't think he helps us because we ask him to. I think he only helps us when he believes he needs to help us. I see god as a person to fear and to be glad he isn't against us, but thats just my opinion.

Candyholic · 03-10-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Glavus

I'm 50/50 on that there is something out there, but I do not specifically believe there is a god. I simply think that if there is someone out there that made the "universe and everything in it" but he doesn't give a sht about what goes on.

I bet it's a sadist and it's fapping as we speak.

marcipaans · 03-10-2009, 03:06 PM

No. He is just a fictional character for people to speak with when they are abandoned and have no hope.

Jurka · 03-10-2009, 03:06 PM

Who knows, why? I think that religion was to manipulate people, its some humans imagination or something like that. Altough, maybe he dos, as there is no proof of him existing or not existing.

03-10-2009, 02:12 PM	#24 (permalink)
Glavus Phantom's Freak Join Date: May 2006 Location: No Idea. Posts: 2,592 Reputation: 38	I'm 50/50 on that there is something out there, but I do not specifically believe there is a god. I simply think that if there is someone out there that made the "universe and everything in it" but he doesn't give a sht about what goes on. __________________ A little browser MMO

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Daigo Wand of !!!!!!11!!! Power Join Date: May 2006 Location: Miami Posts: 726 Reputation: 10	Why do these subjects only refer to juudeo-christian god? what about the hindus out there or the nordics that still believe in their roots? Hell what about ancient egyptian or greek deities? Do they exist? If you say no why do you believe any other deity in which ever religion exist over the others. What make yours better than theirs. I believe in nothing. I don't even have any explanation on why because quite frankly i rather use the time to think of one to play video games or listen to music. __________________ マデイスグレイル　－　Dr.　麗華 I've cashed out over $732.43 using several survey sites. PM for info.

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Oisterboy \| (• ◡•)\| (❍ᴥ❍ʋ) Join Date: May 2006 Location: Just Past Jupiter Posts: 16,555 Reputation: 644	I believe in A God, but not your Gods. I believe that the set of rules the world operates on are "God". God is a force, much like gravity, but she is working everywhere and all at once. She stabilizes the seasons and everything that happens around us. Shes called "Mother Earth". __________________

03-10-2009, 02:35 PM	#27 (permalink)
ferkin HopeDagger's Henchman Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,296 Reputation: 28	I believe in god, but i don't think he helps us because we ask him to. I think he only helps us when he believes he needs to help us. I see god as a person to fear and to be glad he isn't against us, but thats just my opinion. __________________ Nothing is impossible when Ferkin is here.

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Jurka Snakes Big Toe Join Date: May 2008 Location: Latvia Posts: 440 Reputation: 14	Who knows, why? I think that religion was to manipulate people, its some humans imagination or something like that. Altough, maybe he dos, as there is no proof of him existing or not existing. __________________

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