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jimmyting · 04-16-2009, 05:11 PM

I am quite curious as to how many other full ToS you have read? Of course aeria out to protect it self, thats what the wall of text is for. Not supporting Aeria, but the OP uses the phrases Aeria has right out of context in ordr to prove a not very strong point. What Aeria has in its ToS is nothing special, nor is it very different from those of other companies. So please, get over yourselves.

Xenus. · 04-16-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyting

I am quite curious as to how many other full ToS you have read? Of course aeria out to protect it self, thats what the wall of text is for. Not supporting Aeria, but the OP uses the phrases Aeria has right out of context in ordr to prove a not very strong point. What Aeria has in its ToS is nothing special, nor is it very different from those of other companies. So please, get over yourselves.

I have read enough ToS to know that 5,600 words is exessive and over the years, thousands of signs up later, I find it very tedious and mind numbing to go through every single ToS. I'm making an example out of Aeria because their terms are the most disgusting, power abusing terms I have ever seen. That does not mean Aeria are the only one, I'm speaking from experience.

The out of context stuff is there to prove a point, how the terms within context are grossly subversive. Why are people forced to sign legal documents they don't understand most of the time to play games? The companies know most people won't understand them, legal contracts can be a nightmare to go through. How many 13-18 year olds have legal knowledge? How many of them actually read the ToS? The same goes for the vast majority of players.

ShadowDancer11 · 04-16-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by thedudesam

I didn't read hardly any of that, and yes i posted just to say i didn't read your post.

QFT!
I think this whole threat is fail.. dunno how but wat >???

I cant understand nothing..

thedudesam · 04-16-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowDancer11

QFT!
I think this whole threat is fail.. dunno how but wat >???

I cant understand nothing..

I *THINK* it's a guy who got banned, then started winging about it, dissected the aeria games TOS, analyzed it and posted he's findings on a forum.

Xenus. · 04-16-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by thedudesam

I *THINK* it's a guy who got banned, then started winging about it, dissected the aeria games TOS, analyzed it and posted he's findings on a forum.

You got most of that right, except for the whinging part. I followed all the correct procedures to get unbanned and nothing came of it. So I had a look at their monolithic ToS and after finding what I did I will never go back to Aeria. Unless they change their ToS. And only for Turf Battles, if they don't screw it up, which I doubt.

I just read the the terms for EA's BF heroes after recieving my CB key and I have to say, it was a lot shorter, a lot more legitimate and terms I am happy to accept. They even have a section dealing with employees of the government. And EA is a monster corporation, yet their ToS is more fair and explains a lot more about the kind of service they offer. Aeria's terms look like they've been written by several different people, with bad English skills and a bad understanding of the law.

thedudesam · 04-16-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Xenus.

You got most of that right, except for the whinging part. I followed all the correct procedures to get unbanned and nothing came of it. So I had a look at their monolithic ToS and after finding what I did I will never go back to Aeria. Unless they change their ToS. And only for Turf Battles, if they don't screw it up, which I doubt.

I just read the the terms for EA's BF heroes after recieving my CB key and I have to say, it was a lot shorter, a lot more legitimate and terms I am happy to accept. They even have a section dealing with employees of the government. And EA is a monster corporation, yet their ToS is more fair and explains a lot more about the kind of service they offer. Aeria's terms look like they've been written by several different people, with bad English skills and a bad understanding of the law.

I was joking btw, but yea i agree with you to some extent, it's as if by purpose they wrote it (Or got it written) in such a way that aeria's target market (Teens) would just go

at the TOS.

Shit they could have wrote, upon playing our game's you agree that we own your *** and may use it as we please.

Lefos · 04-16-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Xenus.

This is not.
AGE MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ANY ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME WITH OR WITHOUT REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE.

So it's identical to Nexon's? Or rather, it's identical to quite a few companies from what I know. Welcome to the world of free MMORPGs, where you not only have no rights, you are only staying if you give them money.

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We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone. These are the proper legal terms used.

You realize a number of retail outlets do have these terms as well? The management reserves the right to refuse to service to anyone? Welcome to life.

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Originally Posted by Xenus.

You come here and say everyone is ignorant and yet you don't even know wtf you're on about. It IS illegal to refuse someone service if it can be proven it's based on discrimination, ie, race, religion, sex etc. Not only are you ignorant but a liar too.

The instant you agree to those terms, it really doesn't matter. Most large business have terms stating that they can amend them at any point in time without any notification(My work, for instance.). Hell, they could change it say that you have to be named Sally or you'll be banned, and knowing Aeria they just might try that.

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Originally Posted by Game n' Game

This Agreement may be updated from time to time. You can view these terms, conditions and notices (these "Terms") at any time at http://www.gamengame.com/en/member/member_form.asp. Your continued use of our services signifies your binding acceptance of the changes. This Agreement will always be available on this page for you to read. If any part of these Terms or any future changes to these Terms are not acceptable to you, you may cancel your Subscription Service by visiting The Support Center (http://www.gamengame.com/en/member/member_form.asp ).

Strangely enough, Ijji and Alaplaya seem to notify you of changes, at least if it regards something important.

Xenus. · 04-16-2009, 06:49 PM

Just because you have to accept/agree to certain terms in a ToS does not make them lawful. Legal and lawful are 2 different things.

If just 1 person took this to a US lawyer, you might see this for yourself.

Greed · 04-16-2009, 06:56 PM

Nexon's is actually worse. They can claim your computer if they find you hacking.

Lefos · 04-16-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Xenus.

Just because you have to accept/agree to certain terms in a ToS does not make them lawful. Legal and lawful are 2 different things.

If just 1 person took this to a US lawyer, you might see this for yourself.

Here's the thing, you are in no way losing anything other than time, or an account for a game that is provided for free. If you invested money in the game, that is your own choice, and NOT required. Now, let's take Nexon's where they use the scare tactic of saying that hackers have to pay them money, that will not be enforced, and would instantly be destroyed in a court of law. However, the account would still be banned, though these are separate circumstances from your IP issues.

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04-16-2009, 05:11 PM	#61 (permalink)
jimmyting Fat Bowser Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 209 Reputation: 10	I am quite curious as to how many other full ToS you have read? Of course aeria out to protect it self, thats what the wall of text is for. Not supporting Aeria, but the OP uses the phrases Aeria has right out of context in ordr to prove a not very strong point. What Aeria has in its ToS is nothing special, nor is it very different from those of other companies. So please, get over yourselves.

04-16-2009, 06:49 PM	#68 (permalink)
Xenus. Still learning the ropes Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 24 Reputation: 10	Just because you have to accept/agree to certain terms in a ToS does not make them lawful. Legal and lawful are 2 different things. If just 1 person took this to a US lawyer, you might see this for yourself.