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I didnt really read much of it, cause I saw part of the video and laughed at the bs it produced. If the world was based off of conspiracy theories, we would be screwed. Also to the OP, I am guessing you dont like Obama. I did a college paper (33 pages) on conspiracy theories, and one of my big ones I used was 9/11. I can easily bring in Bush's conspiracy theories if you want?

(Also thank god McCain wasnt elected. Just think if Palin was our VP. We would be screwed....)
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Old 07-03-2009, 02:40 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Because we can trust CNN to report all of the accurate, politically un-biased news, right? Don't make me ****ing laugh. Fox News is just as credible as any other news source. Liberals just choose to degrade it because it's the only network that will out right stand up against the liberal agenda.

I'm surprised more people aren't out-raged at this new bill. If you're not paying your own taxes (aka: kids) then you have no room to talk. But for those actually paying and making money, I hope you realize that your taxes are about to go up nearly $2000 a month. All because our great leader decided he doesn't want us drilling in our own country any more for oil. If you think for a second Obama is going to go through with the vast amount of his promises, you're just asking to be laughed at. I was willing to give the man a chance. I hoped that maybe he'd actually do some good for our nation, but in the short amount of time he's actually been in office I've seen nothing but more and more shit happen.

Obama - "Hai guys, I has idea! I know we're in an economic recession and all, but let's RAISE energy prices! That outta show them all who's boss!"
Idioitc cabinet - "nom nom nom nom"
Where did I say CNN was good? I think all news stations have a little BS. But Fox News is all BS. Seriously they are the most biased news station I have seen. They are full of religious assholes like Bill 'O Reilly and they don't care how much they misrepresent the news.

I never thought Obama was going to do a good Job especially with the crap he was left with. I might have Voted for McCain if it weren;t for his VP pick. Palin was too much of a moron to get my vote.

Yes I am mad that taxes are being raised but I already knew this was going to happen....I mean who else is going to pay this debt?

One thing I knew is that our standard of living was going down and it was going to stay like that for a while.







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Old 07-03-2009, 04:48 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Obama doesnt do anything but what hes told to do.Theyre not making it any secret that they want us to be slaves to the system. That why they're spending so much,as long as we owe other countries will always have to work in fear of going under communist law that we're just secretly in already.
were not getting any more free. Also all signs report to obama being narcissist.
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Easy to say when you do not look at any or all of the information.
We have big government and it keeps getting bigger. They want to control and regulate every thing they possibly can. The ones who stand up and speak out against authority are automatically called "nuts", "crazy", or any other terms you would like to use. I guess it is better to never question anything and just let our leaders decide everything for us since obviously we are nothing more then children who are only fascinated with entertainment. Have fun playing with your toys while the walls close in around you incrementally.
Why are you at a video game forum trolling about stuff like this?

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Old 07-03-2009, 07:34 AM   #45 (permalink)
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This.


Seriously, stop this load of crap. I don't care if you don't like him, but he's the president for gods sake.
At least he isn't ripping apart the constitution like Cheny or his figurehead Bush.
Ahem . . . what do you call him doing right now.


Obama is in full support of converting our current health coverage system into a national program.



So, what's so wrong with this??? It's unconstitutional!

It denies us our right to "Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of Happiness." How so, if it supposed to give us health insurance that is funded by taxes instead of our pocket books, isn't it supposed to be better?

It seems better, except for one thing, the Government gets to create a monopoly out of the health system. The best example is the US public school system. families who can't afford it are forced to send their student to a school based off of where they live, and that can changed based on the growth of cities around them. If the families choose to send their children to other schools, they still pay the taxes for the schools that are in their district, as well as the fees for the schools they are sending their children to.

In particular, the government would would retain full control over our health system. They get to decide what is covered by the system, and if you don't like it, tuff. While it could help, it denies citizens the liberty to not only chose their doctors but health plan that is right for themselves. It denies them life as the government can pretty much say, "you don't need this operation," simply because it is too expensive to pay for. It denies you happiness because of the issues with the system.


Sure, our current health care system may not be the best, but socializing it will only make it worse (you know "Social Security", it will become "Social Health Care").
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This non-sense about the dept. Check out http://www.theobamadebt.com/

While I understand it hasn't been a full year of his presidency, there are issues with how he is going about spending.

For one, he is unconstitutionally forcing money onto businesses. Some would ask, "How is it unconstitutional if FDR did similar during the Great Depression?"

Diferenence between his plans and FDR's is FDR ultimately went through many declarations of "unconstitutionality" before he figured the best way to go about the issues. His solution was to fund national improvement projects, rather than give out money to the masses. He hired companies to build highways, beautify cities, and ultimately improve the infrastructure of the US. This ultimately pulled us out of the Great Depression constitutionally and economically, as the cash flow ultimately improved the economy indirectly.

The current situation is similar to the saying, "If you give a man a fish, he eats for a day, if you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." Simply giving businesses money only encourages them to do the same thing they did before. Instead, he should be coming up with some kind of Federal Improvement Plan to which he can hire the general public (companies) to work on.
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Those who complain about wars, let's face it, war actually helps the economy. Look at the 2 two World Wars. In both of those war, many of today's big name industries got their big start from the war, thanks to al the funding the government provided for construction.


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Now the big issues, which has been noticed before, but was finally shown on TV. The censoring of the Obama Press questions.

The best example is Obama's first 100 days in office, what questions did the reporters ask?

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There were no mention of any questions that where always traditionally asked after the first 100 days, questions like how well the US is doing now that he has been in office for 100 days.

The first 100 days is supposed to be about the US, not about how comfortable the president feels.

The Presidential Press pre-screens all questions, as usual; however, they refuse to allow any questions to be asked that may bring questions to the validity of any of the current operations being conducted by the current office.

If you think this is conspiracy, then consider this. Why has there been so few questions asked at these conferences which thousands wish he (Obama's staff) would answer to. Why has there been so few questions which ask the validity of any of his plans? Why are there so many statements praising the celebrity president who constantly undermines his country, calling us weak, lost, and stupid . . . bowing down to countries that have wronged us and several people in the past . . . turning blind eyes to countries people seeking help.


I can't wait until the next election when somebody much better will run against him (I do agree that McCain was a horrible choice), assuming our freedoms of choice last that long.



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Wait, what? If Hitler was a communist, as you say, why did Stalin want to undermine him? Why did Stalin fight against him in WWII? I'll tell you why. Hitler wasn't a communist! He stood on the other end of the ideological spectrum. Nazism is a form of fascism. Communism is to left, as fascism is to right.

Hitler definitely wasn't communist. However, that wasn't why Stalin fought against him in WWII..

Hitler launched a 'surprise attack' against the Soviet Union called Operation Barbarossa in order to "eliminate the Soviet Union as a military power, eliminate communism, create living space, and create strategic access to valuable resources."
Due to tension between the two nations prior to this, however, the Soviet Union had been preparing for "strategic counter-offenses" so they were able to mount a defense fairly quickly.

The axis forces had around three quarters of their troops on the eastern front, however, so the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union formed a military alliance against Germany, and jointly invaded axis-controlled Iran shortly after.

That's why Stalin fought Hitler. Not simply because the Soviet Union was a communist country.
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Hitler definitely wasn't communist. However, that wasn't why Stalin fought against him in WWII..

Hitler launched a 'surprise attack' against the Soviet Union called Operation Barbarossa in order to "eliminate the Soviet Union as a military power, eliminate communism, create living space, and create strategic access to valuable resources."
Due to tension between the two nations prior to this, however, the Soviet Union had been preparing for "strategic counter-offenses" so they were able to mount a defense fairly quickly.

The axis forces had around three quarters of their troops on the eastern front, however, so the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union formed a military alliance against Germany, and jointly invaded axis-controlled Iran shortly after.

That's why Stalin fought Hitler. Not simply because the Soviet Union was a communist country.
Trust me, I know Hitler's goals and the whole background of WWII. I just wanted to get the point across, that if Hitler was actually communist, Stalin wouldn't have done anything to him. Stalin wanted communism to spread all over the world, and fighting against a communist leader would make no sense. They were "allies" for a while, namely during the invasion of Poland, but that's irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Stalin did want Hitler out because fascism was a threat to communism. He wanted to create an anti-fascist league with the Allies in order to prevent fascism from spreading around. Heck, he even participated in the Spanish Civil War against the fascists, yadda yadda. I know they didn't merely fight because one was communist and the other one wasn't.
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Obama - "Hai guys, I has idea! I know we're in an economic recession and all, but let's RAISE energy prices! That outta show them all who's boss!"
Idioitc cabinet - "nom nom nom nom"
The drilling in the US is as helpful as the pursuit of WMD's was in Iraq.

It's a hoax, for distraction.
All ado about it is bland and straight-forward lies, for people who are completely uneducated on the subject and ready to adopt any promising piece of BS, that is paralell to their interest.
All it supposedly should achieve is impossible, which is a well known, long established fact (Yea I am not talking about the news-reports on it, I am talking about the professional opinions from a global viewpoint).

This should be no surprise to you, as it's the way it always happens, wait, nvm, used to happen.

@BoundByHonor:
You do not read your posts again before submitting them, do you?

@ncyphe:
You are not really aware of what's constitutional and what isn't, are you?

It's no way as simple as you put it;
To word it differently:
You are in the wrong and your claims about unconstitutional behavior are completely baseless.

The interpretation of the constitution is not the "exact" following of the text;
It's about
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- Core meaning, telos
- The position of the Supreme Court in the judicatory apperatus
Your interpretation isn't officially sanctioned, so it's representing an opinion of no legal consequence.
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The drilling in the US is as helpful as the pursuit of WMD's was in Iraq.

It's a hoax, for distraction.
All ado about it is bland and straight-forward lies, for people who are completely uneducated on the subject and ready to adopt any promising piece of BS, that is paralell to their interest.
All it supposedly should achieve is impossible, which is a well known, long established fact (Yea I am not talking about the news-reports on it, I am talking about the professional opinions from a global viewpoint).

This should be no surprise to you, as it's the way it always happens, wait, nvm, used to happen.

@BoundByHonor:
You do not read your posts again before submitting them, do you?

@ncyphe:
You are not really aware of what's constitutional and what isn't, are you?

It's no way as simple as you put it;
To word it differently:
You are in the wrong and your claims about unconstitutional behavior are completely baseless.

The interpretation of the constitution is not the "exact" following of the text;
It's about
- Representation of legislative norms
- Core meaning, telos
- The position of the Supreme Court in the judicatory apperatus
Your interpretation isn't officially sanctioned, so it's representing an opinion of no legal consequence.
However, we have the tenth amendment:
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In other words, for the government to take make any law, it must be added as an amendment, and cannot interfere with the firth 9 amendments . . . which, in fact, it does.

By attempting to enact Public Health care, you strip the people of their right to chose a health-plan that fits their needs, the right to congregate to new services in the event they feel betrayed in the services, and (ultimately) the right to choose the price point to pay (by choosing companies).

Just as congress was developed to be equal for all states, including a senate and house of representatives, it proves that "one size does not fit all." One single health-plan will not fit all. Can't offer varying health-plans because tax payers are paying for everyone elses health-care.


It's just as Social Security, by all standards, is considered unconstitutional, but deemed needed for the public who cannot work; however, they essentially pay into their own future by pay for the elderly today.


Not to mention, but congress chooses to force upon those who do not want it a stimulus plant that will cost us billions in tax dollars. We are being misrepresented. As an example, Texas has attempted to refuse the stimulus, only to have it still forced upon us . . . Texas employment status and job status is still very high, we are the best faring state in the US, hence why Obama has been frowned upon here. Much of what Obama is trying to push upon us will not work here and only proves to worsen the economy. This is more or less proof that many of Obama's plans do not belong at the federal level; hell, they are better utilized at the State level.

The bases of the US government is to be limited. It's not supposed to own business or be positioned above the people, it is the people. The government is becoming too powerful, and will ultimately lead to its downfall.



July 4th, a day of Independence, to once again fight for independence. The Tea Parties will provide much more information and detail I can.
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In other words, for the government to take make any law, it must be added as an amendment, and cannot interfere with the firth 9 amendments . . . which, in fact, it does.
Pretty thick populism to put it that way.

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That's from the constitution, not to be confused with the bill of rights, which is just a small part of it.
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