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MindRaveler

You are right. I guess it just seems exlusive because it is more personal when it is your religion. You are right about learning exclusively from a Mormon too. Just like an essay, there are always both sides of the argument. I think it's important that when browsing these types of forums though where there may be comments that might be off key that a person reads them all and uses the sense they have to disern what's right. I didn't want to say Spirit as there there may be atheists here and I'm not sure what they would rely on. Some things you can't disern by physical means...Which is why the plates are not here any more. If they were people would have no cause to doubt it's origin.

Thank you for correcting my not so thought out comments though. I always welcome correction. (=

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Khriz

No I am not going on my mission, and about 90% of my friends and family look down on me for the decision made. But it's alright, I know what they are thinking. But just because someone does not go on a mission that doesn't mean that person is going to end up being like everyone else. It is true, a mission does change your life and gives you an idea of what you really should do... Other than clubbing and drinking and smoking with your friends for the rest of your life. It shows you the things that really matter in life.
It does make it kinda sad how the rest of the ones that don't go on a mission just quit and leave... But I am different, I don't care how much bad or sad they make me feel, I am still doing what I need to be doing and no one is taking me down that easy just because I decided not to do something that EVERYONE expects me to do. To make my point short, being a missionary is just basically not in me.
I understand that the church needs more members and wants to expand themselves(Ourselves) out there, to be seen by everyone. But making guys that don't go on a mission feel bad about themselves doesn't help a bit. I am not saying the church does that, but there are alot of people that are members of the church that take so much pride on themselves, that they forget who they really are and want to point out faults(No guys, it is not the church, this world has people out there, no matter what religion or race or sex , with VERY cold hearts even if they do look polite and nice.)

Religion has nothing to do with the type of people that it brings, to a point it does... But regardless religion or race or anything else... People are and will always be themselves.

But hey, I am still a member, I am still active paying my tithing and doing all that I should be doing to an extent. And what I mean to as an extent is that... I follow the rules and do what I am suppose to be doing, if there is something that I do not agree with or don't like in a certain way(Makes me feel uncomfortable to make it more specific, wont name anything as someone that is already Mormon and reading this might get an idea of what I am talking about), I just don't do it. My bishop knows that and knows how I am. I am not saying that I am perfect, I do have my own faults and they are many... Which I will not share with anyone. But this is who I am... I know the consequences and I am willing to take responsability over them.

I know it's hard to be a Mormon. It is just SO strict... Everything is done with such caution and it is so hard to keep up at it. But believe me that good things do come out of it. With great sacrifices come great things.

Do I regret not going on my mission? Not exactly... Why? Because I didn't turn out to be someone to be ashamed of myself.

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IronyTaken

Well I view all religions as being equally valid when it comes to proof. None of them have empirical evidence.

I had a long discussion about religion with my step father a while back who is a very intelligent man. He is a Catholic and was raised one.

Now I may have mistakes when starting a discussion like this in the past but the easiest way to make less errors is to always ask what that person directly believes. Everyone no matter even if they have the same religion will believe a little differently than the next person.

This is where I find some light in people. I can see that people whether they agree or not have their own moral bias and you can easily see this when they cherry pick through things.

But back to what I was saying....

I was talking to my step father about what I found (in my opinion) to be illogical in his religion. We had a lot of disagreements on the issue but the conclusion I got from him is that there is no empirical evidence for religion and it takes faith to believe in it.

I was going to argue about how important empirical evidence is but I let that drop.


My stance is of course Atheist, but I am willing to admit I don't know if there is a god or not. I am also willing to have a discussion with someone about their beliefs because I like to learn more about why people belief in certain things. I also like to know of the real history behind the creation of some religions. It really brings it together like a puzzle for me.

The biggest problem I see when people are arguing back and forth about religion is that they don't state their beliefs first. This leads to a bunch of assumptions because that is all the people can do when they are given nothing to work with. I see so many people jumping back and forth without even having something concrete to argue about.

The reason arguments on religion will go on and on is because most people aren't making any constructive criticisms. People just jump from one thing to the next.


It would be easier if it was more like this.


a)I believe Jesus truly existed and performed everything in the bible, because......(support for argument).


b)I don't believe Jesus ever existed because...... (support for argument)



Instead it is like.


a)Jesus definitely existed and the bible proves it!


b)Your stupid Jesus never existed



And then it just launches from one topic to the next without ever coming to a conclusion. Now when I say coming to a conclusion I don't mean that both people are in agreement but they reach an understanding.

V-Opolis

so saying the person i am/was with drinking alot, smoking alot, smoked weed, sex, and wanting to refrain from it for personal reasons, would you say LDS is a lifestyle for me, or it it more than living a good life for God? I want to know if it would be something i could fit into. i was talkin to a Mormon girl and i greatly admired her family and her...til she ****ed me over.

so...what is the Mormon/LDS life about?

Khriz

Before I ever answer your question to prevent any misunderstandings, what do you mean by "She ****ed you over"?
Just need to know. Did she say you don't belong because of what you did before? You don't have to specify, just what did she actually made it seem like it to you.

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V-Opolis

its unrelated to the religion lol, she ****ed me over relationship wise. but if you must know she didnt have the ball to say she didnt want anything with me with her movin for college, so she ignored me as her solution and a friend had to tell me. i just felt like adding it for no reason/waht the **** reasons.

Sandman53

Eh thats where I draw the line. I don't that anyone needs to join a church to feel closeness. To me it comes off as more of a support group than anything else when you put it like that. Almost like saying I can't handle certain things so I need a set of beliefs to follow... an excuse?

But bah, whatever your decision is... it's your decision. I would think long and hard before converting to a religion though. When my uncle converted from Catholicism to Mormonism his dad, my grandpa, wouldnt even talk to him anymore. It also didnt help that he had tried to convert my family too.

The only thing I despised was that one of my cousins held her wedding at the Mormon church and they wouldn't allow my family in cause we were not mormon. Bunch of damn bullshit if you ask me.

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Khriz

Oh alright lol, and sorry it took me a while to answer I was busy doing something and going to sleep right after this post.

Anyways, to tell you the complete truth, its all about willing to change. If you smoke, and drink, and have sex and all that stuff which I am sure you know what I am talking about. We do support laws(Rules for some people to understand it) against those things but we do not judge anyone. As long as you are willing to change any leader of the church will be happy to help you out. Those are pretty much one of the main questions they will ask you before you ever get baptized(join). Just simply knowing how... Pure you are I guess would be the word.
I myself have alot of friends and families(From and not from the church) that smoke. Because in the end, its not always about religion... It's just the people out there, what they need help with and what they want to do with their lives. They are still people like you and me, why not give them all a chance, everyone deserves as many chances as needed.

Sandman: You are referring to the Temple. The temple is a sacred place, and only members are allowed to go in since they know the laws(rules) and basically how you are suppose to act and what type of person you should be.
We don't know if the person would be pure enough to be allowed in the Temple. No it is not racist or any type of criticism as it applies to everyone.

Example: As in for me, I will not step inside the Temple for a VERY long time. Why? I do not think I am pure enough at the moment to be allowed in there. Did any leader told me that? No, I just know what and how it should be and as a result I take the action myself. I've been there before many times when I was young, but now my life has changed. And I am doing other things now. As I said, I'll take full responsability of what I will become in the future.

I hope that answered most of what you guys are wondering about.
I'll be going to sleep now, I'll be back tomorrow morning check. Ask more guys ANYTHING, it doesn't matter, I am willing to answer all questions needed.

Night guys.
~Leon

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livejamie

That's kinda crappy of your family, don't you think?

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Sandman53

I think its also crappy to keep my family out of a temple to see my cousins wedding because im not part of their religion. People take religion to heart though, and to have your own son convert and deny your beliefs for another? Yea... that hurts. Would I have done it? Of course not, but I can see where he was coming from, my grandpa that is.

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