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iMicro

.....wow. Are you serious? Why do we take English(and READ for that matter) up to 12th grade then? You're just being ignorant now.

I said "Comics aren't really productive anyway, you would be better off reading a novel and getting something out of it. I read a few when I was younger, but that was it." kthx.

I don't read them? I HAVE READ a few when I was a kid, can't give you any title names I'm afraid.

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Norrin Radd

Because it's a compulsory subject and involves more than teaching you about how to read and how to comprehend text. THAT part is taught to you, and hopefully mastered, at a younger age.

You don't get to decide what "better off" is for anyone besides yourself.

You were better off reading novels because YOU got more out of them. That does not factually mean that there is more to them objectively. Being longer and full of more text does not mean a thing on a content-based level.

I get more enjoyment out of an issue of Watchmen than I do out of The Da Vinci Code, for example.

Yet, I get more out of Ulysses than I do out of most comics. It depends on the content and the person reading it.

Then take your inexperience elsewhere. Stop judging such a vast and intricate medium when you know next to nothing about it.

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iMicro

Ok sorry I forgot that you created our english curriculum.

It doesn't?
Content: 8. volume, area, or extent; size.

A novel has way more content than a comic book does. Denying that will just make you look stupid.

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Norrin Radd

I didn't say that I did, stop being immature.

Am I right or wrong? If you were taught reading comprehension at a later age, you either have different schooling or you needed it. Over here, it's not something you learn beyond the younger years of primary school.

I suppose I just answered my above statement. You needed it.

Did you not read a word I said?

"Being longer and full of more text does not mean a thing on a content-based level.

I get more enjoyment out of an issue of Watchmen than I do out of The Da Vinci Code, for example.

Yet, I get more out of Ulysses than I do out of most comics. It depends on the content and the person reading it.".

Length and amount does not enter into it, what matters is what the content IS. Quality, not quantity. If I've truly reduced your pathetic argument down to "I'm arguing that books contain more text.", then way to go. I never argued that point. I argued that more text doesn't mean you get more out of the book objectively, and gave examples.

Do you have anything else to say to me?

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iMicro

Other than the fact that I disagree to 90% of what you said? no not really
EDIT: offtopic somewhat but "reading comprehension" is more than learning how to read lol, it's putting text into essays and such, its absorbing what you read and making something out of it. That is not something you master in first grade. Otherwise everyone could be a journalist, stop being wrong.

I'm now resigning from this debate, I've clearly won.

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Norrin Radd

You can't disagree with fact. Either bring proof countering what I said, or be quiet about it. Don't sit there saying I'm wrong without backing. I've provided suitable counter-arguments to everything you've said with nothing in return.

Disagreement is nothing more than you ignoring fact, at this point.

Who said anything about FIRST grade? I said at a younger age. Why would people my age, early 20s or late teens, need to gain reading comprehension? It's something you learn IN school from SPECIFIC instructions.

They don't have comics in school because they are not written to help you with essays. That isn't because they CAN'T, it's because they're not WRITTEN to. How utterly irrelevant.

"They don't help with reading comprehension, teaching you how to write essays and such.". That's your implicit argument here, and it has zero relevance. They don't need to teach you how to write essays...what a silly point.

Furthermore, books don't really teach you how to write essays. Teachers do, or you learn by yourself. You keep putting the cart before the horse. First you say that it's impossible to get into comics if you know nothing about them (Despite the reason you'd get INTO comics being to learn), now you say that you learn READING COMPREHENSION from books?

Here's the deal; you're wrong. You claim comics don't aid reading comprehension, but they can as proven. You say they don't help in the sense that they do not aid you in the writing of essays, true. Not because they cannot, but because they are not written to. I know people who have written papers on Watchmen, for example. The medium gives back whatever you put into it.

Please arrange your thoughts, arrange your argument and then come back. If your next reply has nothing of value, I will ignore it and continue with this thread.

Yeah, precisely what I thought.

See you in the next post.

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iMicro

Well,
Well if you want to get technical, they can, if the book is written on teaching you how to write. Otherwise no they don't but if you're asked to write an essay about a topic inside a novel you read, you're going to be able to absorb whats in a book, and comprehend it thoroughly.(have you noticed that students in primary school read easier novels and write easier essay topics?) Anyway, the whole idea of it is that you don't stop doing it in primary school.

I was comparing books to comics, and I was pointing out one of the pros of books over comics.

Above.

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Norrin Radd

Yeah, you were clearly done.

Yes, if someone says; "Write a report or an essay on Great Expectations.", I won't get anything out of Captain America.

If someone says; "Write an essay on Captain America's involvement in the Civil War storyline.", I won't get anything out of Great Expectations.

Why is this an issue for you to understand? You get out what you want, what's relevant or what appeals to you. Length does not matter. So, your argument about comics not being as productive as books has been proven wrong, again.

You didn't. You pointed out that they're longer and that they are used in schools. You stated differences, not pros and cons.

That doesn't make them more productive, it doesn't make them a "better" medium, for reasons I stated above. I don't understand why this is so hard for you.

Do you HONESTLY wish to continue this, or can the ones here who READ COMICS, get back to discussing comics? You've got nothing left.

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iMicro

Ok but i edited my post, doubted myself too quick there.

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Norrin Radd

Look, I caught your edit, and you're still wrong, man.

Wrong at every turn, or irrelevant at every turn. I've continually countered your every claim and you've brought back nothing. You have got nothing but confused. If you want to continue this debate, reply to me in my PM box and leave this thread for those of us who wish to discuss comics. I won't have this thread cluttered by the jabbering nonsense of someone who doesn't know what he's on about.

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