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iMicro

I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record but if books are beneficial to your education I'd consider that a pro. A difference yes, but a pro that books have over comics.

And don't say that reading books aren't beneficial to your education, or else we wouldn't read them in school correct?

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Zeelxx

Okay, I guess you little kids need a little lesson. First of all


iMicro:
THE entire basis of stating A is better than B is completely moronic. For
several simple reasons.

A, especially when you are talking about the entire literature of the world
is not so absolute that it can ALWAYS be better than B.(And vice versa of course)

B. The measure of Context is such a intangible ideal, WHAT is context? What you consider worth reading? or is this an imaginary scale, you talk about subjectivity yet you claim "BOOKS BETR DEN COMICS"

C. You clearly have NO knowledge of comics, you said so yourself, so why in the world would you have any feasible arguement (which you clearly, don't) against comics?

D. I'm pretty sure art is considered as "content" bucko, maybe you should see
how much pages your books are when they are 8x11 with 12 font, then come at me about "size".


Norin Radd
I'm surprised Norin Radd can type a feasible sentence, what you know about the English language could fill a paper bag.

A. We don't comprehend above lower levels? Are you a mad man? Symbolism? Imagery, themes, Inner conflicts? These aren't just words, we study them and write shitload of essays on this crap. Don't tell me this has nothing to do with comprehension, because I damn well know it does and if you can use a lick of brain to comprehend this sentence, then you'd know it too.

B. English IS ALLL comprehension the entire basis of LANGUAGE IS COMPREHENSION. GOOD GOD MAN. THINK.

C. Reading books is a DIRECT correlation with better writing, BETTER essay writing. Do you have a straight face while you're typing out this.. MADNESS? Do you not get how a better understanding of ANY THING leads to better results?


D. let's not play cute, comics don't add to reading comprehension anymore than reading a bloody magazine. please. I mean, maybe if the comic is one of dem' ole English ones with all the flowery writing crap, but that more proves IMicro's point than yours.

Norrin Radd

Seeing as we're back to comics slightly, I'll indulge you.

AS I SAID; it depends on the TYPE of books doesn't it? The Da Vinci Code is a badly written book, Dan Brown has a bad writing style. It will never be used in any classroom worth a damn, it would be laughed out of any uni-level lecture room, where as Watchmen has been used.

If all you get out of a book is the skill to write essays, that's irrelevant unless you ENJOY writing essays. You're not gonna be writing them all your life. If someone reads Ulysses and hates it, then what have they truly gained from it? Nothing.

That same person might read Spider-Man and LOVE it, gaining inspiration or any manner of things.

THAT is what you KEEP failing to understand.

Productivity comes down to what's relevant, what's appreciated and what APPEALS to the reader.

Books are not inherantly more productive.

What the hell does that have to do with comics being less productive? Honestly? You are so insufferably oblivious that it's honestly draining the spirit out of me.

ONE MORE TIME:

Productivity is not determined by the way they are used or length of them. Productivity is determined by what they give the reader, that being entirely subjective.

One book being long, and taught in a school, doesn't mean it has given a student anything more than a comic book would. It depends on the student, the book and the comic book subjectively.

Do you understand a shred of what I am saying to you?

Yes, and I'm going to take a man seriously who spelled my very simple name wrong, twice...as well as being a troll.

If that's the case, then his argument still fails. Because everything expressed in comics is more than capable of conveying each and every one of those thematic or literary elements.

So depending on the comic AND the writer, AS I KEEP SAYING, they absolutely can do the same things as books.

Dan Brown's probably read more books than you or I, failure.

Anna Kournikova has studied more tapes of tennis players than you or I, yet remains a failure.

Better understanding of something does not mean better ability to use what you've learned. You can study guitar for 20 years, you may never be as good as Joe Satriani.

Alike to this; reading many books does not guarantee you'll gain ANY ability to re-use it.

You fail.

Let's not play dumb and say comics do not.

Have you ever read anything by Alan Moore? Grant Morrison? Neil Gaiman? Warren Ellis? If not, then keep quiet. If you have, then you'll understand why the above comment contains more crap than a constipated fat man.

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iMicro

Ok, somewhat. You are saying it depends on who is reading what, some people appreciate books more and some appreciate comics, understandable. I'll admit I came into this debate a bit unprepared, but I had an opinion, and I thought I had valid(in my eyes) fact to back it up.

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I've seen them, I've read a few, I didn't really gain much from it.

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Norrin Radd

You thought you had valid facts?

Facts are not subjective. You have them or you don't, they are or they are not. You didn't.

Now we can move on.

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iMicro

Ok I know this doesn't concern me but are you a robot or something?

Although it doesn't GUARANTEE you will gain any ability to re-use it, it still helps. Dan Brown is a better writer than you or I, Anna Kournikova is a better tennis player than you or I. Why can't you admit anything?

If I was to study guitar for 20 years, who would be the better guitarist? Me or you? Why did you even bring up tennis or guitar anyway? He was talking about how reading can help with your writing.

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Norrin Radd

You do not get my point.

Dan Brown is NOT a good writer. He has no greater ability than any one of us, he's famous for it.

My point countered his in that gaining knowledge does not mean you CAN re-use it, that you WILL, or that you'll do so with any great effect.

My word.

That, again, depends on the PERSON'S ability and what they get OUT of it.

You could try and try, but it doesn't make you any better.

Reading many books doesn't automatically give you any skill, you suggest it does, and that is factually incorrect. Dan Brown has studied more books, he's still not a better writer than some of those on this site. Shadowsworn is a better writer than Dan Brown.

You are actually stupid. I'm not gonna refrain from saying it any longer. You're an idiot.

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Zeelxx

Oh my bad sir, are you from Harvard? Do I need to bow? oh wait, this is a ignore-valid-argument-because-you-spelled-my-name-wrong, counter? I've not seen anyone pull that off before, because mostly, people would call that a weak-sauce argument. I guess you don't deal with arguments unless i kiss and wipe your ***, While singing O'Canada. Answer the point. Norrin Radd. By the way, your name is probably the least thing I could give a damn about. Sorry to hit you with the reality-fest, but your NAME IS NOT IMPORTANT.



You know what? I wont slam you for this, I didn't make it clear that I'm with you on the comics, except the ABOVE paragraph. So I'll re-affirm it, I agree that comics can convey allll I've said above, but is it their purpose? no. Also, the argument had LITTLE to do with comics, it had to do with your complete feckerin' of "LOL WE DONT COMPREHEND ABOVE LOWER LVLS".

I see your way of debating = brush off then insult. Should we just hand out the medals? Or are you going to pretend to provide a decent rebuttal? damn.

Hell, Imagery and symbolism can be better conveyed with images. I'm with you there buddy. Stop detracting the argument. GOOD GOD.


Yep, it's clear you aren't the debating type, you probably don't even know it, but all you've done is misinterpret the point and then argue something completely unrelated. Where am I mentioning comics in those sentence? yes. it's a comic topic, and YES I do not fault you for assuming I'm with iMicros, but let's clear this up, my only beef with you is your complete lack of knowledge on anything. INCLUDING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

NOW i know where you get all this flowery text, typing random, irrelevant crap. yay to you man. I can do that to? HEY HEY I COULD BE YOUR GIRLFFRIEND.
Isn't it nice to waste people's time? especially during a debate.

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BETTER OF UNADKLAD:K OFAJFK WHAT THE HELL
ALD"ALDALD WTF? BETTER UNDERSTAND DOES NOT = BETTER USAGE? ARE YOU MAD? LOLADoALDOALD WHAT ARGUEMETN IS THIS? I CANT EVED TYPE PROPERLY THIS IS JUST ABSOLUTE IDIOCY. SO as you got older and understand the English language you didn't get better at writing? is that what you're saying me? Naturally knowledge improves everything, every-god-damn thing. Anything, there's no "well.." about it. Knowledge is INFACT, BY DEFINITION, MORE INFORMATION ABOUT TOPIC. I don't see how you can even bring up some weak sauce "No u" and then let that shit roll, why don't you spend more time buttering your arguments and less time with the tennis players, eh?

As for your "may nbevr be good as joe who-ever the face" this is easily refutable "YOU can study for 20 years and you can be better than him" you see how it's not cute to bring up stupid little examples using "may"? The possibilities of an individual has zero to do with Knowledge and application.
It's like me saying "I may lose my thumb tomorrow" it has no basis tot his argument, don't you may with me again, punk.

Wow this is such piss poor defense. "you mite not be able to use what you learn"
Why? WHY? less you forget it, why can't you use what you learn?





Yay, seems we are playing dumb. Did I say they did not add to the comprehension, or did I state how little it is. Why don't you read things over, BUDDY. And the **** I should shut up if I don't know some of your wank artists, please.

iMicro

I'll admit that did make me laugh

Subjective, stop being a hypocrite will you?

Congrats, you have officially just taken this debate too far, but we all saw it coming anyway. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Well I guess it's my turn then, you're a retarded smartass(expression btw, you're not near smart) who needs to step outside.

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Zeelxx

I'm agreeing with iMicro, though he introduced a stupid *** arguement he atleast knows how to engage in a debate, all Norrin Radd has been doing is deterring the point and then wanking about some shit. you need to learn how to comprehend things, boy.