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Manic · 08-01-2006, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Stack

But if bush being stupid is a fact...

It may be, but they don't know that. They see their favorite rock star say "bush is stupid," or maybe hear their friends talk about how much they think he sucks, and suddenly they're an expert on the topic of George W. Bush. Hell, I'm willing to bet that 95% of the people that said he was can't even say what president he is numerically. To those that I'm speaking of, go ahead and Google it, but don't post it in an attempt to save face.

FabianN · 08-01-2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hiboy2004

Ever been to a Rural state? If you mean Undeveloped as in no Plants/Trees/Crops/Feilds then you are highly mistaken. Apparently you have never been to Kentucky.

Get a dictonary.
Undeveloped means that it's not residential.
Undeveloped means just what you discribed.

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Originally Posted by hiboy2004

From what I take of John Kerry, taking all of his former political actions, his lack of being able to stay on one side of a Arguement, and some of his statements, I put that out as an opinion of what I felt would happen. It's an opinion, as is everything in this topic.

And here goes that compleat miss-information spread by the Bush administration.

If you would pay attention to the whole story, you would relize that during the night, between the first and secound disicions, there was a huge change on the bill.

Basicly, lets put it like this.
Say you see an ad in the paper for a really cheap computer. You decide to buy it. You go to the store, and after closer examination you discover that you can only get this great deal if you sign up for a 2 year membership of some really expensive internet, making it un-afordable.
You would then CHANGE your mind.

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Originally Posted by hiboy2004

If you call a ruthless dictator, who tried, but failed, to take over a country a third its size, who mass murdered 100's of people a Government, then you are very confused. It is, per se, a Government, just not a very stable one.

Ruthless, he was. No argument about that.
But he did something that we are unable to do. He kept the peace. He gave his people plumbing, electricity, ect.

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Originally Posted by hiboy2004

Do you know how quickly a Jet Airplane loaded with soldiers can travel? If we wished to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan or any other place we may have Military Activity at, we could regroup them towards the U.S in a number of Hours. And you mentioned a good point, the U.N. We have them as allies, the British, the French (supposedly :P), and a whole slew of other countries to help us.

And what country would attack us? Russia? Too poor. Britain? A few strategically placed missiles could flatten their Military and government. France? Germany could take them over, we killed Germany. See any thing here? North Korea's missiles didn't fly for more than a minute and crashed. And pretty much everyone else isn't even a threat. Possible China, but they have no good reason too.

Did you forget about the little fact that only 5% of whats coming through the ports is checked?
That means you have a 95% chance to smuggle a nuke into the US.
Good luck defending against that.

Robert Stack · 08-01-2006, 08:50 AM

Im Proud to say Based on my research ive done on him that he is stupid.

Cloud13 · 08-01-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FabianN

And here goes that compleat miss-information spread by the Bush administration.

If you would pay attention to the whole story, you would relize that during the night, between the first and secound disicions, there was a huge change on the bill.

Basicly, lets put it like this.
Say you see an ad in the paper for a really cheap computer. You decide to buy it. You go to the store, and after closer examination you discover that you can only get this great deal if you sign up for a 2 year membership of some really expensive internet, making it un-afordable.
You would then CHANGE your mind.

Isn't it odd how everything is Bush's fault? That is a completely different story, an example is the $87 Billion:

"I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running,” he said.

Then, in October 2003, a year after voting to support the use of force in Iraq, Kerry voted against an $87 billion supplemental funding bill for U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. He did support an alternative bill that funded the $87 billion by cutting some of President Bush’s tax cuts.

But when it was apparent the alternative bill would not pass, he decided to go on record as not supporting the legislation to fund soldiers." Source: CBS article.

So seeing that it wouldn't pass and then switching sides to be on the winning side is the same as finding some fine print?

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Originally Posted by FabianN

Ruthless, he was. No argument about that.
But he did something that we are unable to do. He kept the peace. He gave his people plumbing, electricity, ect.

The only reason he kept "peace" was the fact that if anyone stood up to him they'd be killed.

The Dictionary.com's definition of "peace" is:
"The absence of war or other hostilities."
In which case there certainly wasn't peace.

I would respond to your previous post, but alas, I do not have the time right now, conviently this post of your was short enough for me to cover.

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Originally Posted by Robert Stack

Im Proud to say Based on my research ive done on him that he is stupid.

That is a very ignorant post If that type of response is all you are going to post, I ask that you leave this debate. Plus, it just doesn't work to call someone stupid while using improper spelling and puncuation. That's what you call ironic.

FabianN · 08-01-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud13

Isn't it odd how everything is Bush's fault? That is a completely different story, an example is the $87 Billion:

"I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running,” he said.

Then, in October 2003, a year after voting to support the use of force in Iraq, Kerry voted against an $87 billion supplemental funding bill for U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. He did support an alternative bill that funded the $87 billion by cutting some of President Bush’s tax cuts.

But when it was apparent the alternative bill would not pass, he decided to go on record as not supporting the legislation to fund soldiers." Source: CBS article.

So seeing that it wouldn't pass and then switching sides to be on the winning side is the same as finding some fine print?

Again, getting only half the story.
That bill was changed. I can't remember the details, it was such a long time ago, but I remember that the end result was more money to get less of a result.

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Originally Posted by Cloud13

The only reason he kept "peace" was the fact that if anyone stood up to him they'd be killed.

The Dictionary.com's definition of "peace" is:
"The absence of war or other hostilities."
In which case there certainly wasn't peace.

But there were no terrorists there. No car bombings. None of that stuff.

cjammer · 08-01-2006, 08:19 PM

Fabiann you are truly a master(de)bater, you take every single arguement and crush it. You truly are my idol, I mean wow no one ever argues with you directly here... I wish I had that power. OH well I'll say it one more time for everyone, Why would you guys defend George Bush after what he has done? Ok fine he went to an expensive collage, who cares about that when he can't seem to put words together and have them actually make sence? He is truly an idiot who has his head up his ***, he needs to pull it out wash it off and fix his (big ***) mistakes. Also I may add that it would be one thing if it was one small mistake, then people could forgive it, but he caused the deaths of too many people. He didn't learn his lesson, now he is ****ing up worse, I'm amazed that people still see him as a leader. All he is is an opstical in recovering our economy.

Cloud13 · 08-01-2006, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FabianN

But there were no terrorists there. No car bombings. None of that stuff.

Saddam was the terrorist. You think killing your own people isn't hostile?

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Originally Posted by cjammer

Fabiann you are truly a master(de)bater, you take every single arguement and crush it.

You obviously haven't looked at many old debates, me and Roon keep up with Fabby pretty well.

Cain · 08-01-2006, 11:37 PM

hey i served in the military for a little while,(blew out my knee...ouch)
he can be a bit idiotic, but still he has done better than most would have given the situations he faces

Manic · 08-01-2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cain

hey i served in the military for a little while,(blew out my knee...ouch)
he can be a bit idiotic, but still he has done better than most would have given the situations he faces

You now have a shitload of respect from me if you're telling the truth. What branch did you serve in?

Cain · 08-01-2006, 11:42 PM

air force stateside, but got "loaned" to the army convoy unit in Iraq for 3 months. That SUCKED.

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cjammer SuperKenshin's Servent Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Inner Circle of Reverse Hell Posts: 1,005 Reputation: 10	Fabiann you are truly a master(de)bater, you take every single arguement and crush it. You truly are my idol, I mean wow no one ever argues with you directly here... I wish I had that power. OH well I'll say it one more time for everyone, Why would you guys defend George Bush after what he has done? Ok fine he went to an expensive collage, who cares about that when he can't seem to put words together and have them actually make sence? He is truly an idiot who has his head up his *, he needs to pull it out wash it off and fix his (big ) mistakes. Also I may add that it would be one thing if it was one small mistake, then people could forgive it, but he caused the deaths of too many people. He didn't learn his lesson, now he is ***ing up worse, I'm amazed that people still see him as a leader. All he is is an opstical in recovering our economy. __________________

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08-01-2006, 08:50 AM	#93 (permalink)
Robert Stack Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 441 Reputation: 10	Im Proud to say Based on my research ive done on him that he is stupid.