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DarthBain · 07-30-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic

I never knew good presidents embezzled government money and lied while under oath.:rolleyes:

Not saying he was perfect,But look how the country was when he came into office and when he left it,And there was no war in he's tenyear.

Cloud13 · 07-30-2006, 09:56 PM

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Uh oh, Bush went to war with Iraq for very good reasons. PLUS CONGRESS COULD HAVE SAID, "HELL NO WE'RE NOT GOING TO WAR!"

Think up better reasons before you call Bush an idiot...
You mean how he faked documents and out-right lied about WMDs, and made it so that congress had NO say on the war?

Show me proof of fake documents that Bush made and you might be more believeable. Is intelligence always correct? Of course not. Congress had a say on the war, and they approved. They had the exact same intelligence on WMDs that Bush had. And they also said the exact same things, but you don't care about that. I'll give you some examples, then a link to the whole article.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 Source

What the Democrats say about WMDs

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2. OKay, so now you're just hating some ones opinions. Every one is entitled to their opinions. Hell, a lot of religions are against gay marriage to. So do you hate those religions and think the people that follow it are idiots?

You compleatly miss what he was saying.
People can think what ever they want about others, BUT THAT DOES NOT GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO CREATE DISCRIMATORY LAWS.
If instead of it being "Pass an amendment to ban same-sex marriage" it would be something like "Pass an amendment to ban interacial marriage", I'm sure you would be compleatly against it.
There is no difference between the two.
Each person is different, and they all think different. Thats a given. I'm not trying to make people to like gays. I'm trying to stop DISCRIMINATION.

Is Bush trying to ban gay people all together? No. I don't really care if someone is gay, but if they try to be "married" then yes, I have a problem with it. If the amendment is passed, I believe each state then votes to follow it or not, then it is a democratic vote and then you can't complain about the outcome.

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And are you also aware that the religous right practiclly own congress?
And same with the Senate. Our system of checks and balances only works if there is a variation of control. If one party controls all three groups, IT DOES NOT WORK.

That is completely idiotic. As the president, representatives, and senators are elected by the people, if the majority of Americans are Republicans, then why should the minority get just as much power? That's the same as saying, in a country of 1 million, and 900,000 of the people approve a law, then you say that you can't allow it because the other 100,000 would be unhappy? Lunacy.

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Now, the reasons that Bush is hated.

1: He illegaly spied on US citizins, WITHOUT A WARRENT, breaking the constitution, which is the highest form of law in the US

Yes, Bush is using his phone in the Oval Office to listen to you talk to your Auntie Mabel.

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2: Vetoed a bill that would have sent embryos to labs to try and help save lives INSTEAD OF THE TRASH.

"Help save lives" Rather than "do", which is what adult stem cells already are doing.
For example, a South Korean woman had been paralyzed for 19 years. She was able to walk again after she had an injection of umbilical cord stem cells into the injured part of her spine.

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3: Lied about the reason for war, and changed it about 3, 4 times.

See first paragraph.

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4: Lost Osama

Do you care that Clinton could have had him but let him go? And who says we've stopped looking for Osama? We've still got troops in Afghanistan.

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5: Left our ports wide open, and even gave control of our ports to the Sudies, and it's thier people that FLEW THE PLANES INTO THE TOWERS, and thier goverment has shown to have heavy connections to Osama.

Do you advise we start a war with them too?

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6: Compleatly ignored Katrina for the first 24 hours.(he instead went to a party)

That was FEMA's responsiblity. At least you aren't like some people who say that Bush caused the hurricane, or that he could've stopped it. Though what about the people who thought, "Let's just stay in our house, there won't be any damage or flooding."? Plus, I don't see any results on Google that Bush went to a party.

I'd talk about some more stuff, but I'm tired for now.
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Manic · 07-30-2006, 10:04 PM

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Ya but when how logn have Europe's populaitonbelieved that earth;s was flat? ( Sorry, Since i'm in canada, I learnt more Whit people's histoy more than mine.. I only know the basic of my own country..)

Also...how much people could look far away if they're in the middle of a city? Many ppl in my country worked like "slaves" in a lot sof place just in hopes to feed their family....I dont think there would be much people thinking. " Hows the world?"

I think you're forgetting that sky-scrapers and other multi-story buildings were a rarity in most communites in the past, hell cities in general were highly uncommon. Also ,it wouldn't take much thinking, just a small realization that the ship you see in the distance is either on a curved surface or coming up from underwater, which is obviously impossible. Could you please rephrase the first part of your post though? I didn't understand it.

DarthBain · 07-30-2006, 10:09 PM

I believe he meant

Ya but Then how long have Europe's populaiton believed that the earth was flat?

Fieren · 07-30-2006, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic

I think you're forgetting that sky-scrapers and other multi-story buildings were a rarity in most communites in the past, hell cities in general were highly uncommon. Also ,it wouldn't take much thinking, just a small realization that the ship you see in the distance is either on a curved surface or coming up from underwater, which is obviously impossible. Could you please rephrase the first part of your post though? I didn't understand it.

Yeah didnt Columbus say the Earth was round? He was waiting for his dad's ship to pull into shore. And he saw it arise from the horizon. And since there were no submersible ships then he came to the conclusion Earth was round.

Rage On Dreams · 07-30-2006, 10:16 PM

^^ Above said it =P Sorry for typos, typed a bit too fast.

I'm sayign that how logn have the european explorer conclude that Earth was Flat and not round? Many said that it's insane and stupid to belive earth is round since it's flat...

Also, maybe it's you but there's a lot sof people out there which doesnt even have time to care about their families due of works...why would they worry is earth's round or flat? They dont need to know to live no? =] There are dumb and smart people~

War Horse · 07-30-2006, 10:26 PM

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I don't see any results on Google that Bush went to a party.

Yea. He wasnt at a party...He was on vacation! Pfft! He couldnt be bothered with such things as going on TV and saying there should be an evacuation because there is going to be a huge hurricane. rofl who do you think he is?The president?! rofl. Nonsense! -.-

Im sure alot of people would of been saved if they heard it from the president and not from the beeping blue screen on there TV. Because where i live when we see that most of the time its just a bad rain storm.

Kresh · 07-30-2006, 11:18 PM

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Yea. He wasnt at a party...He was on vacation! Pfft! He couldnt be bothered with such things as going on TV and saying there should be an evacuation because there is going to be a huge hurricane. rofl who do you think he is?The president?! rofl. Nonsense! -.-

Im sure alot of people would of been saved if they heard it from the president and not from the beeping blue screen on there TV. Because where i live when we see that most of the time its just a bad rain storm.

If every one hates the president so much, why in the hell would they listen to him when he says evacuate.

Person - Hmm, the TV has been telling me to leave town for about a day now. There are experts who say this thing. I guess I'm going to just wait for some idiot president who I hate to tell me to leave, because you know, I totally listen to people whom I believe to be idiots...

It's their own damn fault they were to stupid to run from a hurricane. You can't blame bush for people not wanting to leave their houses. Seriously, I think I'm going to blame bush for allowing the Soviets to send a man into space before America. That seems really reasonable.

...and to FabianN, OWNED!

...and to Cloud13, thank you for supporting my facts, and saving my *** from having to explain that myself.

War Horse · 07-30-2006, 11:42 PM

rofl everyone there hates bush?...i dont think so. So im sure some people would of listened. People would of been saved if he said something and was doing his job.

Vacation?! wtf? Your the motha****in' president! Shit, i wouldnt be going on vacation if i was the president thats an important ****ing job i got shit to take care of.

"..Wheres the president of The United States of America?"
"Oh, hes on vacation."

...It just doesnt sound right.

Kresh · 07-30-2006, 11:48 PM

So you're saying the president should never have time to reduce stress? When people are stressed they become careless, and since you think Bush is so careless already, you probably don't want him any more careless by being stressed.

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07-30-2006, 10:09 PM	#44 (permalink)
DarthBain Still learning the ropes Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 29 Reputation: 10	I believe he meant Ya but Then how long have Europe's populaiton believed that the earth was flat? __________________

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Rage On Dreams SuperKenshin's Servent Join Date: May 2006 Location: Im only a part for your memories, a part of your past, present and futur. I live within your heart. Posts: 1,021 Reputation: 10	^^ Above said it =P Sorry for typos, typed a bit too fast. I'm sayign that how logn have the european explorer conclude that Earth was Flat and not round? Many said that it's insane and stupid to belive earth is round since it's flat... Also, maybe it's you but there's a lot sof people out there which doesnt even have time to care about their families due of works...why would they worry is earth's round or flat? They dont need to know to live no? =] There are dumb and smart people~ __________________ Ultimate suppa active Cookie's giver.... PM for a cookie? =P

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07-30-2006, 11:42 PM	#49 (permalink)
War Horse Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 797 Reputation: 10	rofl everyone there hates bush?...i dont think so. So im sure some people would of listened. People would of been saved if he said something and was doing his job. Vacation?! wtf? Your the motha**in' president! Shit, i wouldnt be going on vacation if i was the president thats an important **ing job i got shit to take care of. "..Wheres the president of The United States of America?" "Oh, hes on vacation." ...It just doesnt sound right.

07-30-2006, 11:48 PM	#50 (permalink)
Kresh 500+ Posts???? Join Date: May 2006 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 508 Reputation: 10	So you're saying the president should never have time to reduce stress? When people are stressed they become careless, and since you think Bush is so careless already, you probably don't want him any more careless by being stressed.