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Muckbeast · 08-12-2009, 11:32 PM

Do you think elitism is a major problem for the MMO industry and community? I think it is most certainly is, and it severely threatens the continued growth of the hobby. A hobby that cannot attract new members eventually withers and dies. The current culture of noob hostility is frequent comic fodder, but there is a very serious underlying problem.

I blogged about it here - MMO Elitism - A Major Problem for the Industry - but you don't necessarily need to read it to share your thoughts and opinions.

What can we do as members of the MMO community to put a stop to it? Do you think we even need to?

Luppi · 08-12-2009, 11:39 PM

See.. New players are ok while they're new, but after you hit say lvl 30-40 you're expected to know how to do things and not expect higher lvls to aid you constantly. Elitism is a good thing for mmorpgs because it makes newbs strive to play better. Without elitism we'd have a game full of content that never gets touched.

squall89 · 08-12-2009, 11:39 PM

It wont change...

trying to change this problem is like trying achieve world peace

people are just to stupid

Paladuck · 08-13-2009, 12:05 AM

I don't see the problem. Every game has a learning curve. If you are trying to do end game content and you don't have the proper knowledge and gear to be anything other than a burden, then you should either stay out of that area until you acquire the knowledge and items necessary.

Just like a relay team isn't going to let someone on who's a slow runner, a raid party isn't going to baby a player that doesn't know how to play the game. Raiding isn't exactly a "casual" activity. It requires a substantial amount of time and devotion to a game to be able to do it successfully, and a person unwilling or unable to devote that time shouldn't complain that they aren't included. This really applies to any game...for example, I get raped in CS by people who play several hours or more a day because I barely play the game. But there's really no cause for complaint if I don't have the time to put in.

Cingal · 08-13-2009, 12:16 AM

I think it's a good thing when not taken to extremes.

DirtySouth · 08-13-2009, 12:32 AM

Elitism? It's a freaking game

Wait till you get into the real world

btlv · 08-13-2009, 12:39 AM

If it does not get to the level of maplestory, then I'm fine with it.

Arri · 08-13-2009, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luppi

See.. New players are ok while they're new, but after you hit say lvl 30-40 you're expected to know how to do things and not expect higher lvls to aid you constantly. Elitism is a good thing for mmorpgs because it makes newbs strive to play better. Without elitism we'd have a game full of content that never gets touched.

What you're thinking about isn't elitism.

Yes, people are expected to learn the game after playing awhile.

Elitism is, say...Something like this:

Guy 1: Looking for More, X raid!

Guy 2: I'll come!

Guy 3: let me in noob

*guy 1 looks at guy 2 and 3's stats...Guy 3 has 2 more stamina than guy 2, but is a jackass*

*Guy 1 invites guy 3*

PM - Guy 1 to Guy 2: U Fckin noob get l2p gawd u hav low stamina u noob gtfo diaf.

sidimazz · 08-13-2009, 01:19 AM

Wow Arri I didn't know you have a dark side.

And if you think MMORPG are hard wait till you play Dota. If you mess up once you get kicked. Or if you go to 4chan.

Newfags cant triforce

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Like that see what i mean.

Ithian · 08-13-2009, 01:27 AM

MMO elitism is only a problem for noobs who aren't leet enough.

08-12-2009, 11:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
Muckbeast Detective Kirby Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 159 Reputation: 10	MMO Elitism - A Major Problem for the Industry? Do you think elitism is a major problem for the MMO industry and community? I think it is most certainly is, and it severely threatens the continued growth of the hobby. A hobby that cannot attract new members eventually withers and dies. The current culture of noob hostility is frequent comic fodder, but there is a very serious underlying problem. I blogged about it here - MMO Elitism - A Major Problem for the Industry - but you don't necessarily need to read it to share your thoughts and opinions. What can we do as members of the MMO community to put a stop to it? Do you think we even need to? __________________ -- Threshold RPG - Our World, Your Imagination http://www.thresholdrpg.com Muckbeast - Analyzing Game Design and Virtual Worlds http://www.muckbeast.com

08-12-2009, 11:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
Luppi Super Duper Uber Mega Ultra Extreme Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 873 Reputation: 10	See.. New players are ok while they're new, but after you hit say lvl 30-40 you're expected to know how to do things and not expect higher lvls to aid you constantly. Elitism is a good thing for mmorpgs because it makes newbs strive to play better. Without elitism we'd have a game full of content that never gets touched. __________________

08-13-2009, 12:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
Paladuck Roon's Rogue Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Pond Posts: 4,270 Reputation: 260	I don't see the problem. Every game has a learning curve. If you are trying to do end game content and you don't have the proper knowledge and gear to be anything other than a burden, then you should either stay out of that area until you acquire the knowledge and items necessary. Just like a relay team isn't going to let someone on who's a slow runner, a raid party isn't going to baby a player that doesn't know how to play the game. Raiding isn't exactly a "casual" activity. It requires a substantial amount of time and devotion to a game to be able to do it successfully, and a person unwilling or unable to devote that time shouldn't complain that they aren't included. This really applies to any game...for example, I get raped in CS by people who play several hours or more a day because I barely play the game. But there's really no cause for complaint if I don't have the time to put in. __________________

08-13-2009, 12:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
Cingal The Devil's Advocate. Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oh, you know, around. Posts: 11,699 Reputation: 301	I think it's a good thing when not taken to extremes. __________________ On nights like tonight, When no one's around. I sit in the dark, with my hands on the ground. And I smile like the devil smiles. Unseen but proud.

08-13-2009, 12:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
btlv Ride em’ Yoshi Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: 7 Gates Of Hell Posts: 183 Reputation: 11	If it does not get to the level of maplestory, then I'm fine with it. Last edited by btlv; 08-13-2009 at 01:14 AM.

08-12-2009, 11:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
squall89 Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 379 Reputation: 12	It wont change... trying to change this problem is like trying achieve world peace people are just to stupid

08-13-2009, 12:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
DirtySouth Luigi’s Pizza Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 122 Reputation: 14	Elitism? It's a freaking game Wait till you get into the real world

08-13-2009, 01:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ithian Power_Gamer_6's Pick Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,430 Reputation: 43	MMO elitism is only a problem for noobs who aren't leet enough. __________________

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