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olaph

see now i strongly disagree.

Theres plenty of world pvp going on.

the amount of times ive had guild vs guild pvp battles in sholzaar basin are insane. farming in wintergrasp also brings alot of world pvp, as does doing the hodir dailies in storm peaks.

and lets not forget that STV will always be, gankers paradise.

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Glitchedup

I personally find most "world pvp" to be done by undergeared people. The epitome of the pvp mentioned above would be wintergrasp, where it is more so player vs lag than player vs player.
Leveling up does not take too much time at all, minimizing the amount of time you would be in contact with other players, and at 80, the only time you would fight anyone in "world pvp" is when you're sitting outside a raid instance for no reason, farming for gold, or in wintergrasp.
All of the above examples are eventually nulled due to the fact that at one point or another, you will have enough gold that you don't need to farm anymore, will get the smarts to actually get into the raid instance instead of sitting outside, and will probably end up afking wintergrasp after the 200th win simply because you're pretty much fighting lag for 30 minutes straight every battle.

Honestly, if you want to have some sort of "pvp" in your life, try some battlegrounds, and if you feel you're skilled enough to fight people on an even playing field with even gear, you can give arenas a shot. However, if you're looking for the "rush" to "one shot people" while wearing full raid gear, you can always join the nearest 40v40 battleground and feel free to snipe all the green-wearing casuals that you want.
But believe me, instantly killing undergeared bad players with a 12,000 lava burst, 9500 chain lightning, 6000 frost shock gets boring after a while even though it may be fun the first few times.

If anything, I would look for a good pvp realm to find teammates and people to pvp with, whether it be battlegrounds or arena, not for world pvp.

aznasiaboy

take that advice best shaman ever in my book

Omg0sh

Well you make the assumption that everybody likes arena and bg's. I have done arena, not to the extent you have, and i have run bg's a lot. And that's exactly what i want to get away from . It's just not fun doing the exact same thing over and over and over for some people. Facing the same comps , and in the same sandbox all the time. Carrying the flag for the thousandth time or taking a base.

World pvp isn't about one shotting bads, it's about having fun. It's fun to sometimes fight against overwhelming odds, or totally raiding and destroying a city. You die a lot, and they die a lot. And keep in mind, i'm not talking about ganking, because that's what you are referring to.

I'll give you of an example of world pvp that i'm lookin for(Was the last world pvp i was in). Pirates day, a big group of horde show up in booty bay, and a big group of alliance are there flagged and grinding for the bloodsail admiral title.So the horde organized an attack on us, and blindsided us. We fought for like 10 mins eventually losing. So we regroup on the docks, heal up and zerge back. And it was just an hour of chaos, everyone was dieing, little goblins running everywhere with there knockbacks sending a bunch of people flying into the ocean. And it was fun.We didn't get arena points or epeen.World pvp is like when you randomly run into a group of angry horde and call your friends or have a guild vs guild.

Tbh your view that anyone who doesn't do arena is bad, is elitist and exactly the reason why arena gets so much hate. Arena is an even playing field(well when you get to a certain rating anyway),your right on that. But that doesn't mean everyone is gona have fun doing arena. And ganking undergeared people in greens isn't fun either.Ganking does happen in world pvp, it's the danger aspect of it, but not everything.

World pvp is great because it's not stagnant, it's spontaneous, and it does has some aspect of danger to it. And best of all, most of the people who do world pvp do it because they want to have fun in the process. Not to collect imaginary points, and then flaunt there "skills".

And i'm not saying you do that, because i'm sure you have a blast doing arena. But It's silly to say that arena is the only good pvp. Arena, bg's and world are all completely different types of pvp. They all have different feels, and i just don't like sandbox dueling the same comps all day.

Glitchedup

My point is that world pvp is too few and far between. Due to the design of resurrection timers, it is very limited, and ultimately dies out very quickly. As you stated, the last time you had a chance to engage in such world pvp is Pirates Day, which was nearly two weeks ago, occurring once a year to have alliance and horde go to the same destination without faction-aggression restrictions. Pvp in which a majority of people can participate in, such as battlegrounds and arenas, can be brought to demand much more quickly and much more often.

Not only this, the wide-scale world pvp that you seem to enjoy so much can be achieved simply in a battleground despite the lack of goblin guards. In something simple, which you can organize with friends, such as Arathi Basin, you can organize attacks, heal up, and zerg as much as you want without the limitation of a resurrection timer. You can even achieve this “chaos” that you seem to find interest in by capping snowfall graveyard as horde in Alterac Valley, inevitably starting a half-hour fight over a small strand of land. Unfortunately, not everyone in the battleground of which you do this in will find the idea appealing. I find that the occurrence of one 10-minute to 1-hour event in two weeks due to a once-a-year event to be too insubstantial to make a serious effect in a person’s pvp experience.

Despite common belief that battlegrounds and arena can grow stagnant, I find the real challenge is in perfecting the style of my gameplay. Even after dueling the same classes countless times in durotar, I find different people have different playstyles, and the same can be said for anywhere else. For example, I have dueled many warriors as elemental, and each one takes a different approach in trying to beat me. Some play more offensively, and others more defensively. Although this grueling task of self-improvement may not appeal to many others, it is essentially the epitome of RPG gameplay. From leveling up, to getting better gear, to becoming a better player is all essentially making your character better and more adept for more circumstances.

The main idea:Yes, world pvp can be exciting, but I would not choose a server over it. Rather, I would choose a server that has many people on your faction of whom you can engage in any activity, whether it be battlegrounds, arena, raids, or world pvp. If you play enough, eventually you will want to better your playstyle and become a more capable player through skill rather than gear. Thus, I find finding capable teammates to assist you on your journey is more important than finding world pvp.

Omg0sh

I don't want to go on another big tangent, but i understand what your saying in that world pvp is very far in between. But i play on a pve realm atm, and the whole point of this thread was to find a pvp realm that world pvp wouldn't be far in between. I can que a bg anytime, and get in almost instantly. But the whole point of my post was that battlegrounds are just to repetitive after a while. I've done them thousands of times. I'm almost done leveling a character off of pure bg's.You talk like i've never been in a bg before.But, I have just been in one to many.It's just not fun anymore. Which is why i'm looking for a pvp realm,*insert big tangent as to why i like world pvp*
The experience of world pvp just won't be reproduced in a bg. Short and simple. It's not about zerging or chaos, that was just apart of the specific example. Bg's are stagnant and repetitive. World pvp can change and be different every time(That was the point of the booty bay example).

You think that because you like arena. Which brings me to my original point that not everybody likes arena. In fact , very few people actually do. You like arena, therefore you think finding good arena partners are important. People who prefer bg's would think finding a good battle group is more important. People who prefer world pvp, would think finding active world pvp is more important . Of course you would have to find people to do it with, that aspect doesn't change.

Finally, it's not like you can only become a better player though arena. You still pvping either way. You still adapt to alot of different situations, and playstyles. On my hunter world pvp made me super aware of my surroundings while kiting because i'f im fighting someone and go slighty off path, i'm screwed. As opposed to kiting in a sandbox. If you arena you become better at arena. If you perfect your dueling , you become a better dueler. If you do a lot of world pvp, you will probably become better world pvp'er. I don't care about being a good arena player, because it's not fun to me.

olaph

your best bet is wintergrasp

you don't even have to push to destroy the walls

infact you could treat it as one massive world pvp event

because thats essentially what wintergrasp is, you aren't trying to capture flags or buildings for resources

you are trying to take/keep control of a zone that gives you a raid for essentially free epics and badges.

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Glitchedup

I have spent hundreds of dollars transferring across low and high population pvp servers. I can guarantee you will not find a server where random world pvp is the biggest focus.

And also, a good player is a good player. It all comes down to how a person can handle pressure and can react quickly to other players. I can say that from my dueling experience (2000+ duels), that skill in duels can directly proportionate with skill in other circumstances (6000+ arena games, 80,000 honor kills, participation in various large-scale "world pvp" events).

Good players are good players. Bad players are bad players. However, it doesn't matter a shit if you don't have friends on a server of whom you can play with.

Besides, there's always wintergrasp where people specced 20/20/21 can do whatever they want and no one will care. Throughout countless wintergrasp battles, I would say at least 90% of people in the battle don't give a shit about the battleground objectives, and would rather afk, attack random people, or wait around for their quests to be done for honor.

Omg0sh

I really don't even think we are arguing anymore lol. I agree with everything you said in this post tbh. If you were trying to say that before maybe i just misunderstood. I was hoping to find a pvp realm were world pvp was at least common, but if you have been on that many maybe it is a lost cause.

On my server i could probably get a group and go world pvping everyday if i tried, but it's just so limited to as what my group could do on a pve realm. Also, most of the people i used to play with on this realm quit,and i could always meet new people on a different realm.Which is still my motivation to switch over to a pvp realm, starting from scratch again.

As for wintergrasp, the problems you described are what ruins wintergrasp for me. Afkers, people doing nothing to help us, and making more lag with their presence. The lag ruins it for me, but i love hanging around there in between battles, always a lot of dueling and 1v1 world pvp there.

But, since you have been on so many realms, do you remember any that were active and balanced?

Glitchedup

Generally the population of servers disintegrates after people start leaving for a new "flavor of the month" server. For example, many people went from bg9(bloodlust) to Rampage during season 6. On a smaller scale, when I was on Vengeance(Mug'thol), just about every pvper transferred to Reckoning(Dragonmaw) for easier titles(Quite a few people from our transfer group got Furious Gladiator title(rank 1 on battlegroup) from going to Reckoning), and at the end of season 6 , pvpers went from Reckoning to Bloodlust (Blackrock in specific).
I would probably just go to a high population server and hope for the best. Pvp communities often change drastically across seasons.