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power_gamer_6

Fffffuuuuu... Guess I'm keeping my day job LOL.

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Wintersun

I found some point of this article(i.e: The exploit part) hilarious. Still, a great article. DOWN WITH WARNER BROTHERS

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hobolord

after reading that record deal doesn't seem that great

Norrin Radd

When did paying someone for their work become charity, though?

Would you tell a plumber that you're not a charity after he fixed your pipes and asked for payment?

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Ronin

Yea right.

It is nothing but that.

Why? Because they have it on their hands to un**** the situation and they won't.

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Norrin Radd

That wasn't what I asked, but fair enough, dude.

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SR-71

I'm extremely intrested in this, but mates, too tired to read. I will give you this though:

I appreciated the idea that Ronin gave, even if I don't agree with the pricepoint. Muscians need to innovate how they get their product to people instead of going to with a record-deal system that is already blocking all the newcomers.

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Ronin

@It's sooo illegal:
I would highly doubt that a normal user can be prosecuted for stealing effectively.

Why? Because I personally would be able to provide evidence for a couple of thousands of follow-ups on my own.
I am not kidding.

There is public interest to deregulate the Internet from obscure regulations that serve no one as well all IT that is linked to it.
They can't satisfy the companies anyways, because they are not executable.

@Bands: Pitty, but not mine.

It's as I said their own fault. If someone runs himself over with his car starts suing, because it wasn't labeled to be a danger, it's one thing. If someone runs about trying to exploit this by researching the market for a niche and making a profit from it, he has a very criminal mind and he is not entitled for getting compensation for what he does.

If someone for example searches out microwaves that would miss the "don't dry pets" sticker just to sue them, after getting a doggie for the only purpose of killing it of in the machine, he has malevolent intent.

So do the copyright holders and all content producing agents, that work to create content for them.

All of this issues the content industry is *****ing about, have malevolent intent so thickly layered spread out all over them, that I have no desire to give them compensation for anything, that they did not establish as a decent suiting service after all.
Let me ask you this:
What do you expect people to do? Just conform with their BS?

I already pointed out a doable way.
Do you have any arguments about that?

Go ahead and convince me, I invite you to make a compelling argument in favor of paying for music at all. (Yea, I own some swag, been to a couple of festivals and concerts, etc., that's not what I talk about, what i talk about is the general, on demand, daily listening experience.)
This comes form a genuine interest. I know that you have the right to care more about making work things out in your favor than in mine, I don't complain about that. However from my standpoint, it won't turn me around, it rather reinforces me.

@SR-71:
Well, I would probably prefer as a musician to lower the BreakEven point to about half of the current situation.
Why even dive into a pointless, bad and dead industry to begin with.
Also, you do not loose anything by going this way; If it does not sail, because your music isn't getting a rapport from people, you are not personally devastated for life, because of that.
As to efficient marketing being necessary to make it sail:
If it's not sailing it won't whatever means you put into it (isn't it a humongous benefit to not even go there then?).
Otherwise you can work it out, also again very cheaply, relying on up to date methods of cheap marketing, instead of spending more and more money on less and less impact.

Off to listen to some music...

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power_gamer_6

Dear Ronin,

We the undersigned express great displeasure in everything you've stated. Were we not so busy doing more important things, we would all promptly come find you and deliver unto you an *** kicking of epic proportions for being such a caring and thoughtful person.

Sincerely,
Every musical artist you enjoy.


Just sayin'.

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Ronin

There is a lot of *** out there to kick for them, they could try to just knock on doors in their neighborhood and ask if people own some ripped mp3s.

How high would be the chance? 90%?

This is really not going to sell me just one of your CD's.

Come one and manage to convince me to give you money for something or **** off, lol.

Just being pissed at having to actually deal with this is not making you successful.
Dealing with it would be a different point.

Making an idiot out of yourself, by letting yourself getting ripped off in the process and your fans too: Go ahead, but don't expect sympathies.


If you had talent in the direction of dealing with money (which you might still have, just unexplored), you would very well be aware of the fact, that people like me are the majority of your customers.

You need to win me over, not threaten me to go to trial with me because of some arguably "god-given" property rights to some piece of music.

If you give that principle up, you will probably stop crying about how much money you supposedly "deserve", but will never ever possibly see at all in this world of ours...

If you were that reasonable you could actually still get some bit richer than a Wallmart cashier.
Not very likely richer than some select foot-ballplayers or CEOs , etc. it seems, but hey, real talent will pay off and everything else isn't going to whatever happens down the road.
If you make it work that is.
Make it work.
Not **** it up.

The plan about ****ing your customers up, is just topping it of. (Yea, money will be generated when I listen to music, if I take part in that or not is irrelevant. However that select people that I might choose to actively support are not those that creep around on my front lawn with clubs in their hands.)

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