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IronyTaken

It's her body she should have the freedom to do whatever she wants with it.

hobosexual

I wasn't talking about one night stands or rape.

But if the two were in a relationship the father should have equal say.

Cingal

When you get married you sign a legal contract with each other, you don't own each other.

You have no ownership of her body, you don't have a say.

What you're suggesting in a sense is that the husband should have some ownership of his wife.

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hobosexual

Uhh, how about no that's not what I'm suggesting at all.

I'm saying that it's just as much my child as it is hers.

jazneo

hmm you dont want that. then your baby come out disform if she don't want the kids she abuse her body to reject it. that what most women do if they dont want baby

Cingal

Yeah, but you see, for it to be a child, the law would have to then say that life begin at conception.

Which, would mean that abortion would mean that by law you're ending a life by having an abortion rather than destroying an embryo.

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hobosexual

Well I would argue that life does begin at conception but I guess that's a whole other topic.

Orpheus

I don't know, my view on abortion is kind of biased. See, I was kind of an accident that neither my mom nor my father were expecting, so... my father asked my mom to get an abortion. She didn't agree with it, and so he simply left her (and everyone for that matter). So... my mom decided to have me and here I am.
Then again, my mom DID want to become a mother at a certain point on her life, and she DID have the means to support me.

So, I probably should be opposing abortion, but I don't because I understand that not all circumstances will be the same. It has been said before, but I do not think it's alright to have a child if you don't have the maturity to raise it, plus the means to do so.

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Pok

I'm completely pro-choice. There are issues as to when it is ok to abort and not (I say anytime that thing is inside of her it is fair game, if it is able to survive on its own outside of her, she could have it removed). The child is a parasite on the mother and it should be entirely up to the mother as to whether or not she carries it to term.

I would not use it as a form of birth control, there are other easier methods that avoid the whole ethical debate (for the most part). But if worse came to worst I have no problems with abortions of anykind.

In brief: The way I see it, they aren't even real people after they are born. They are unable to focus their eyes, display self-awareness, form memories, and they don't have significant personalities until they reach certain levels of development. What I consider the core of myself (My personality and my memories) are things they don't have yet. If you disagree, please don't argue with the, "you were that way once too" card, yes I was, but I'm not now, and if anything had happened back then I wouldn't be who I am now so I wouldn't be in a position to find it good or bad, it's a moot point.

From a true christian standpoint things like divorce, women rights, gay sex, slavery, etc stand on some pretty unpleasant ground, I don't think you're religious beliefs should affect someone elses choices. I think that sacrificing the mother for a fetus is terribly immoral, if that is what she chooses, fine, it's her choice, but the idea of someone being pressured to or having to give up their life for someone else is disgusting. As for the man having an equal say, no, the biological burden is on the mother she gets absolute say.

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V-Opolis

or she can just take some responsibility classes and not be a dumbass, and not be irresponsible....she needs to deal with it, and not just kill it, if its due to irresponsibility.