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Leviarel · 10-31-2009, 01:21 PM

From Dictionary Reference:

(Don't misinterpret the meaning of abortion in your argument/opinion/whatever)

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a⋅bor⋅tion [uh-bawr-shuhn]
–noun

1. Also called voluntary abortion. the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy.
2. any of various surgical methods for terminating a pregnancy, esp. during the first six months.
3. Also called spontaneous abortion. miscarriage (def. 3).
4. an immature and nonviable fetus.
5. abortus (def. 2b).
6. any malformed or monstrous person, thing, etc.
7. Biology. the arrested development of an embryo or an organ at a more or less early stage.
8. the stopping of an illness, infection, etc., at a very early stage.
9. Informal. a. shambles; mess.
b. anything that fails to develop, progress, or mature, as a design or project.

The reason why I'm starting this thread is because of events that are happening around me. Just need to hear more views and no, I'm not going for abortion or something like that, I just had curiosity for why abortion, and why not abortion.

Two questions:

What is the appropriate circumstance that allows for abortion in religious stance?

What is the decisive factor for abortion?

I've been thinking of this example, "Termination of Pregnancy for Reason of Fetal Disability."

In this scenario, what would you do?

Mentally-handicapped, physical-disability can be really disheartening. Would you abort because you don't want them to suffer, because it can be burden for "both" parties, or you chose not to because it's a sin, because it's a form of murder?

I've seen children who have down syndrome accompanied by their parents, stared by several other pairs of eyes from head to toe.. I'm not saying it's not a right thing to do, or it's a bad thing to do either, but these are some of the experience that will be felt from their point of view.

Is it a burden raising them up?

Will it contradict your definition of "happy family"?

To those of you who don't have the time to give opinion for each and every of my question, just give a stand on abortion and how would you "deal" with it.

My stand here is, I honestly don't know what to do at all :/

I'm hoping for people who's got a straight answer to share it out, yeah.

No immature comments - Don't dilute my topic.

Oisterboy · 10-31-2009, 01:28 PM

If the mother is in a situation where continuing to have the baby would be hazardous to her health, she should be able to rid herself of it.

If the mother is in a situation where she knows she can't take care of the baby like it deserves, it should be up to her to keep it or not. A baby should have a mothers love. Don't give me BS about adoption...that is fine, but the world is already over populated.

Only she can make the decision.

Groteske · 10-31-2009, 01:30 PM

Simple answer is that it should be the pregnant woman's choice whether to have an abortion or not.

Plus I mean unless you are a woman and have been pregnant before...then well you can't really understand. I'm not gonna pretend like I know what is going through a pregnant woman's mind when she chooses to have an abortion.

nawrasz · 10-31-2009, 01:32 PM

[uh-bawr-shuhn], i laughed.

Anyways in my opnion unless you've been raped, abortion is a stupid thing., use a damn condom stupid !@$^&

Maizen · 10-31-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nawrasz

[uh-bawr-shuhn], i laughed.

Anyways in my opnion unless you've been raped, abortion is a stupid thing., use a damn condom stupid !@$^&

There are other disasters that occur while using a condom

ex:Ripping

Leviarel · 10-31-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Oisterboy

If the mother is in a situation where continuing to have the baby would be hazardous to her health, she should be able to rid herself of it.

If the mother is in a situation where she knows she can't take care of the baby like it deserves, it should be up to her to keep it or not. A baby should have a mothers love. Don't give me BS about adoption...that is fine, but the world is already over populated.

Only she can make the decision.

Adoption will be on itself, a separate issue. In my case, I consider adoption as an option only after you have decided whether or not, on abortion.

What about the father? Relatives? Grandparents? I agree that yes, only the mother can make the decision.. to an extent, but she can be influenced and ultimately, the choice can be a choice she would probably regret after.

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Originally Posted by Groteske

Simple answer is that it should be the pregnant woman's choice whether to have an abortion or not.

Plus I mean unless you are a woman and have been pregnant before...then well you can't really understand. I'm not gonna pretend like I know what is going through a pregnant woman's mind when she chooses to have an abortion.

Wow. What you're trying to say is, your wife decides on abortion and as a husband, you're going to go on a hands-off approach and say: "Decide yourself, it's your own body after all."

Yes, she holds the choice, but there's always a possibility that the decision she make is something she will regret after.

As a husband, aren't you responsible to the choice of the decision? She's your lifetime partner, you don't just stand in one corner and let your wife do the thinking. Remember - It's your own child.

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Originally Posted by nawrasz

[uh-bawr-shuhn], i laughed.

Anyways in my opnion unless you've been raped, abortion is a stupid thing., use a damn condom stupid !@$^&

I've pointed out one scenario on disability.

And it doesn't necessarily mean that once you've been raped, you should abort the baby. There are instances where the woman gave birth in the end, because she sees herself in the baby. Condom is a separate issue, because it will be a discussion about pregnancy and avoiding pregnancy.

Groteske · 10-31-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Leviarel

Wow. What you're trying to say is, your wife decides on abortion and as a husband, you're going to go on a hands-off approach and say: "Decide yourself, it's your own body after all."

Yes, she holds the choice, but there's always a possibility that the decision she make is something she will regret after.

Well then she will have to suffer with the consequences of her choice. I'm just saying that it should be the woman's choice. Sure she should consider all possibilities and outcomes both negative and positive of her having the baby or aborting the baby, I just don't feel I have the right to stop her if she made up her mind to abort. If she's questioning it then she can go to therapy, and if in the end she makes the decision to have an abortion then so be it.

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Originally Posted by Leviarel

I've pointed out one scenario on disability.

And it doesn't necessarily mean that once you've been raped, you should abort the baby. There are instances where the woman gave birth in the end, because she sees herself in the baby. Condom is a separate issue, because it will be a discussion about pregnancy and avoiding pregnancy.

Uh you have to be pregnant to have an abortion. So hmm discussions about pregnancy and avoiding unplanned pregnancies should be included in the abortion topic.

A condom breaks and a woman gets pregnant. Perhaps this woman isn't ready to have a baby so she decides to abort it.

Leviarel · 10-31-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Groteske

Uh you have to be pregnant to have an abortion. So hmm discussions about pregnancy and avoiding unplanned pregnancies should be included in the abortion topic.

A condom breaks and a woman gets pregnant. Perhaps this woman isn't ready to have a baby so she decides to abort it.

I get your point. I was too centered around a pregnancy of consensus where the couple decides that they wish to have a baby, but the baby is deformed. So my point of abortion here will be more of the issue where both parties makes the ultimate decision - Rape becomes "off-topic" in my case because most of the time, it involves only the mother alone.

I was leaning towards the deformability part of abortion. I suppose that will be the main "sub-topic" to say. Should have been clear from the start, but I hope you guys would address that part, because personally I find it the hardest to decide - The rape scenario could have been a clear-cut abortion for me; a baby of your own blood and desire that becomes deformed - Don't you find it so hard to accept and to make a decision out of it?

Groteske · 10-31-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Leviarel

I get your point. I was too centered around a pregnancy of consensus where the couple decides that they wish to have a baby, but the baby is deformed. So my point of abortion here will be more of the issue where both parties makes the ultimate decision - Rape becomes "off-topic" in my case because most of the time, it involves only the mother alone.

I was leaning towards the deformability part of abortion. I suppose that will be the main "sub-topic" to say. Should have been clear from the start, but I hope you guys would address that part, because personally I find it the hardest to decide - The rape scenario could have been a clear-cut abortion for me; a baby of your own blood and desire that becomes deformed - Don't you find it so hard to accept and to make a decision out of it?

Well if the baby's deformity is so bad that it is highly likely that the baby would suffer in life and in society then yes I feel that the baby should be aborted. But then it leaves us to discuss the topic of how bad the deformity has to be for the baby to be aborted. With deformities it's really just a guessing game while the baby is still in womb but when the baby is born then well you will start to see how the deformity effects the baby.

I wouldn't want my child to suffer with severe handicaps through out life and also it's very hard to take care of a child with special needs.

Tax · 10-31-2009, 02:42 PM

If you honestly believe you cannot support a child and your partner is bearing one then it should be discussed.

Before bringing a human being into this lovely world you have to make sure you are able to give the support to make it that way.

10-31-2009, 01:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
Oisterboy Tight Like That Join Date: May 2006 Location: Just Past Jupiter Posts: 15,732 Reputation: 624	If the mother is in a situation where continuing to have the baby would be hazardous to her health, she should be able to rid herself of it. If the mother is in a situation where she knows she can't take care of the baby like it deserves, it should be up to her to keep it or not. A baby should have a mothers love. Don't give me BS about adoption...that is fine, but the world is already over populated. Only she can make the decision. __________________ Cuz karma's got a way of coming back and returning Besides Momma don't need another son servin'.

10-31-2009, 01:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
Groteske OnRPG Elite Member! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Holocaust Prison Posts: 6,551 Reputation: 196	Simple answer is that it should be the pregnant woman's choice whether to have an abortion or not. Plus I mean unless you are a woman and have been pregnant before...then well you can't really understand. I'm not gonna pretend like I know what is going through a pregnant woman's mind when she chooses to have an abortion. __________________ You put stuff in your mouth, right?

10-31-2009, 01:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
nawrasz SuperKenshin's Servent Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,068 Reputation: 62	[uh-bawr-shuhn], i laughed. Anyways in my opnion unless you've been raped, abortion is a stupid thing., use a damn condom stupid !@$^& __________________ Hey Ya!

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