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Serebii

It's slightly different since people don't usually have cows, pigs, and chickens just for the hell of having a pet. I can see what people mean by the double standard comment, though. Sure dogs probably are/have been raised for food in other countries, but they aren't in America so it's more of a culture shock type of thing than a "omgthatssowrong" deal.

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xXpsychoXx

No.. but that's your pet, They dont kill their pets.
You're just showing ignorance. It's no different to killing cows, chickens, pigs etc. You can't even say anything about it if you eat any form of meat.

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jazneo

china eat rats,cats and dogs in there country <,<

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brutzer

and why no one gets offended if in some countries people eat bugs? bees?

they are also animals , where are the animal protectors now?

either you protect all animals or you do not , you do not protect "one" "species" because there is public approval in your country because alot of people have dogs in houses.

that is ignorant and purely for money.

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Bladin

actually this is not true, the house bread of dogs and house bread of cats are both structured in such a way to be a pet, dogs and cats are not a naturally occuring species that are wild.

This is actually partially true. Yes cow's and chickens do have emotion, but it's not to the same extent as dogs or cats, it's the truth. Take a example of a cow bonding with it's calf, if you take the calf away it will forget it forever. But dogs will actually keep the bond forever. especially dogs from the same litter, as a example, my old dog always LOVED the owner of her parents/sister, and her mom/sister, you could say the name and she'd get excited, and whenever she saw them she would light up and gain energy she never had even in her older age.


no dogs and cats are not wild, sorry but thats simply not true. I never said anything about monkeys tigers and parrots, im talking cows and chickens. trying to strawman in other animals is just a excuse

dogs and cats both were domesticated as a wild strain by humans and have since evolved into domestication. Same with dogs, they were bred to focus on specific traits and caused the split in different breads of dogs. Do you think poodles are a wild dog? no they aren't. all dogs are bred to their current level by humans, none of them are wild or natural.

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xXpsychoXx

So dogs and cats that live in the wild aren't wild?
You make little sense.

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brutzer

the dogs and cats "before" them were wild. "house breading" is not an "evolution" but slavery. If you would release the "house breaded" animals into the wild , they would return to their "normal" state very fast.


again there is no way to prove this. Have you been a dog or cat? do you have experience of how it is to be a dog or cat? no.
All there is are "assumptions".

it was an example of other "wild" animals that bond with people very easily.

release poodles wild and i gurantee you that they will adapt in a generation or two.

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Xenonight2

His point is not that poodles absolutely must have a Human companion, but rather that if you take a random animal from the wild and bring it into your house and start raising it, it will not be domesticated in one or two generations.

Some animals simply cannot be domesticated. For example, zebras.

It's called the Anna Karenina Principle. Look it up.

Um, what? First, yes, there is a very easy way to prove this. Take a calf away from a cow, and five years later bring the calf back to the cow. If the grown up calf and cow recognize each other and act in a familiar way, then there is a good possibility that they recognize each other. If they do not recognize each other and treat each other like two cows would treat stranger cows that they have never met before, then there is a good chance that they do not recall each other.

Second, why is "assumptions" in quotation marks?

Just because they can bond with Humans does not make them domesticated. Look up Elephant domestication.


Anyway, on topic: I don't think it's morally wrong or anything. I've always wanted to try dog and cat meat personally, just to see what it's like. But would I kill and eat my own precious dog, Sparky? No, I have an emotional attachment to him. Same way that there are people who have pet pigs, but will still eat pork. Or kids who have pet chicks and will still eat chickens. (Chickens are frequently kept as pets, but most people do not form as strong of bonds with them as they do with more intelligent and emotional animals such as dogs, horses, cats and pigs.)

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Bladin

It's not slavery, it's forced evolution. almost all dog species could not survive in the wild, you hear stories of wild dog packs, but most of the time they are living off of human society still, off of scraps, waste, other animals such as cats. If you were to release a group of dogs into a wild, there is a huge probability that they would not survive more than 1-2 generations at maximum.



There has been studies, and this is coming from someone who has raised dogs, cats, pigs, and have family that raise cows, chickens, horses, pigs, etc.

No they would not adapt they would die out. The only way dogs these days survive in the wild, is if they get accepted into a wolf pack. You can make a study of releasing a species of dog as a pack into the wild, but the study would have to be over the course of 10+ years. I have not seen 1 successful study of such a thing either. Find a case where a pack of dogs was loosed to the wilderness and managed to survive and adapt and not die out.

Let other wild animals bond with humans, that's fine, but don't fool yourself to thinking they bond easily(maybe not parrots) but they take a trained person with knowledge and training to make them bond with humans. It's not as if John Doe can walk out and tame some monkeys and tigers and have pets. Those are the people that end up getting hurt by their animals, killing their animals(putting them down counts) or giving them away/abandoning them. You see it in the news all the time.

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Paladuck

Whatever. No need to disparage people's cultural practices just because they are incompatible with your own.

No animal should suffer pain though. So I'm not against the act of eating dogs and other domesticated animals, just against their suffering.

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