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Old 11-04-2009, 10:07 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Um, what? First, yes, there is a very easy way to prove this. Take a calf away from a cow, and five years later bring the calf back to the cow. If the grown up calf and cow recognize each other and act in a familiar way, then there is a good possibility that they recognize each other. If they do not recognize each other and treat each other like two cows would treat stranger cows that they have never met before, then there is a good chance that they do not recall each other.
Take a baby away from mother when it is 1 month old.

Meet the original mother and the child 15 years later.
Lets see the emotional attachment.
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I have no comment for the first vid. But dogs are animals. Animals are food. You eat pork and beef and some religions look down on that, so dont make a big fuss about people eating dogs.

They only kill the more ignorant dogs and keep the smarter ones as pets. I would know because I am part Chinese.
Therefor its alright to eat humans? Humans are animals aswell.
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:12 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Take a baby away from mother when it is 1 month old.

Meet the original mother and the child 15 years later.
Lets see the emotional attachment.
Take a child away from his mother after ten years, and there will still be emotional attachment fifteen years later. (Depending on the individual, of course - emotional attachment varies a LOT among Humans, whereas not so much in other species.)

And anyway, I simply showing that it was perfectly possible to prove, whereas you asserted that "there is no way to prove this." A wholly ridiculous statement. In addition, I did not make any statement on what I thought the outcome would be. Do not misconstruct my argument so you can prove your point - that is a logical fallacy. And that's terrible.
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:14 PM   #34 (permalink)
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They only kill the more ignorant dogs and keep the smarter ones as pets. I would know because I am part Chinese.

How do they determine smart from ignorant?

Is there some sort of exam, or is it basically whoever runs from the butcher?

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Old 11-04-2009, 10:15 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Take a baby away from mother when it is 1 month old.

Meet the original mother and the child 15 years later.
Lets see the emotional attachment.
AHAHA are you ****ing kidding? Wow. Humans bond VERY strongly with their children especially mothers, sure you can quote prostitutes, and etc, but I know countless women who gave kids up for adoption, or had children who died, and they NEVER lose the bond, even after 30-40 years.

You couldn't have used a worse example.
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almost all dog species could not survive in the wild, you hear stories of wild dog packs, but most of the time they are living off of human society still, off of scraps, waste, other animals such as cats. If you were to release a group of dogs into a wild, there is a huge probability that they would not survive more than 1-2 generations at maximum.
Dogs were before human society , if they would not be , they wouldn't be here now.So they did manage in the wild.


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There has been studies, and this is coming from someone who has raised dogs, cats, pigs, and have family that raise cows, chickens, horses, pigs, etc.
good for you but i didn't come here for ego trips , just facts.


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No they would not adapt they would die out. The only way dogs these days survive in the wild, is if they get accepted into a wolf pack. You can make a study of releasing a species of dog as a pack into the wild, but the study would have to be over the course of 10+ years. I have not seen 1 successful study of such a thing either. Find a case where a pack of dogs was loosed to the wilderness and managed to survive and adapt and not die out.
Go back before "human society" and "studies" , there is the answer.

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Let other wild animals bond with humans, that's fine, but don't fool yourself to thinking they bond easily(maybe not parrots) but they take a trained person with knowledge and training to make them bond with humans. It's not as if John Doe can walk out and tame some monkeys and tigers and have pets. Those are the people that end up getting hurt by their animals, killing their animals(putting them down counts) or giving them away/abandoning them. You see it in the news all the time.
Ofcourse if you go into wild to tame a tiger you will get your butt hurt. But if you will be with the tiger from the moment of his birth it's like with a cat.

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Take a child away from his mother after ten years, and there will still be emotional attachment fifteen years later. (Depending on the individual, of course - emotional attachment varies a LOT among Humans, whereas not so much in other species.)

And anyway, I simply showing that it was perfectly possible to prove, whereas you asserted that "there is no way to prove this." A wholly ridiculous statement. In addition, I did not make any statement on what I thought the outcome would be. Do not misconstruct my argument so you can prove your point - that is a logical fallacy. And that's terrible.
no , i'm jsut using your logic


you take away a calf after birth and take it back after 5 years

i take away a baby when it is born and bring it back 15 years

it's a comparison

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SO many people judge other country what they do with there animals. just worry about your own country. dont judge what they do in there country.


Dog meat is eaten in some countries and certain breeds of dogs are raised on farms and slaughtered for their meat. Dog meat may be consumed as an alternative source of meat or for specific medicinal benefits attributed to various parts of a dog. Cultural attitudes, legal treatment, and history regarding eating dog meat vary from country to country. Very little statistical information is available on attitudes to the consumption of dog meat.[citation needed]

In some societies, the consumption of dog meat is viewed as part of their traditional or contemporary culture, while in others, the consumption of dog meat is generally viewed as taboo, such as most Western cultures. (However, some Westerners support the right to eat dog meat and accuse other Westerners who protest against dog eating in non-Western countries of cultural imperialism and intolerance.[2][3][4] Joey Skaggs, for instance, organized a hoax in the United States in which a fictitious Korean restaurant asked animal shelters for unwanted dogs to be made into dog meat in order to expose the alleged intolerance, hypocrisy and racism of those opposed to dog-eating.[5][6]) Some cultures or individuals, including some non-Westerners, however, oppose the consumption of dog meat in non-Western countries. They may perceive dogs as inherently emotional and friendly to humanity and/or argue that methods used in the slaughter of dogs for food are excessively cruel.[7][8][9][10] In the Islamic and Jewish cultures, eating dogs is forbidden under Muslim dietary laws and Jewish laws of Kashrut.[11]

The raising and consumption of dog meat has been linked to the transmission of rabies to humans with two reported cases in China, one in Vietnam, and two deaths reported in the Philippines.[12]

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AHAHA are you ****ing kidding? Wow. Humans bond VERY strongly with their children especially mothers, sure you can quote prostitutes, and etc, but I know countless women who gave kids up for adoption, or had children who died, and they NEVER lose the bond, even after 30-40 years.

You couldn't have used a worse example.

it's not a bad example , you perspective on what i wanted to say is wrong
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It's their culture and customs.
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:23 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Dogs were before human society , if they would not be , they wouldn't be here now.So they did manage in the wild.
i think it's pretty obvious, the dogs from 8000-15000 years ago are not the same dogs we have today. You can say "they survived before humans, they can survive again" Sure if it was the same type of dog that was wild before humans.


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good for you but i didn't come here for ego trips , just facts.



Go back before "human society" and "studies" , there is the answer.



Ofcourse if you go into wild to tame a tiger you will get your butt hurt. But if you will be with the tiger from the moment of his birth it's like with a cat.
no, that isn't true, it's been shown countless times, that a tiger even raised from a cub, is still VERY dangerous, and even worse, it's very hard on the animal. Tiger even when raised as a kitten will only tolerate 1-2 owners to bond with, and will kill any other animal that enters it's territory. as well as it basically becoming so dependant on you, since its nature will not let it adapt without you, if you raise a tiger, it will bond so strongly with you, that it will starve itself to death rather than be abandoned by you. It's a lot different than most people believe.

*edit*and yes i understood what you meant, but there always is a bond. For example, I never knew my father untill i was 22 years old, when he finally contacted me when he heard my mother died. we talked and we bonded quicker then most people, he has his own life now, and i have my own. But you can't say theres no bond that exists, even when we are apart humans bond with each other.
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