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corasked · 11-14-2009, 02:02 AM

No offense, but that tower you're buying would be a waste unless you're getting watercooling, about 4 more harddrives, and a extra graphic card or two.

you may want to save some money and get a cooler master 690 or something

lazyluong · 11-14-2009, 04:46 AM

Chassis: Cooler Master CM690 ATX Mid-Tower Case ($69.99)
Power-Supply: Corsair TX850W Power Supply ($129.99 & $20 rebate)
Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 945 Quad Core Processor ($174.99)
Motherboard: ASUS M4A77TD PRO Motherboard ($94.99 & $10 rebate)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 1GB ($149.99)
RAM: OCZ PC3-12800 Gold RAM 1600mhz DDR3 Dual Channel ( 2x2GB ) 8-8-8-24 ($102.99 & $20 rebate)
Hard-Drive: Western Digital WD5000AAKS Caviar Blue Hard Drive - 500GB, 7200rpm, 16MB, SATA-300, OEM ($54.99)

Sub-Total: $777.93
Rebate: $50

if you're going to spend $100+ on a chassis, you might as well go for a full tower instead with LCS ^_~ for me, i would go buy it personally and bargain, lmao. i saved $100 on low cost pc i built for my little bro, and no shipping cost =p i also recommend you get a lower cost monitor for more cash to spend on your new desktop. i recommend either getting a full tower, or LCS.

Shattered Skies · 11-16-2009, 06:15 AM

Ah crap, I'll admit I forgot about posting extra help to here haha. I posted my same build on another forum and was spending more time there.

Anyway, as for games being played, I'd probably be playing more of Empire Total Wars since it kicked the hell out of my current computer, and EVE Online. Those are the two MAIN ones. I've put off buying most new games just because I know my machine can't handle them. So I'm sure once I get a new rig my views will change.

But my updated build isn't too much off from what you guys have posted, I don't think.

I changed the Thermaltake V9 Steel ATX Mid Tower to an Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower - $99.99 with $40.00 instant savings.

Changed the video card from the Radeon 4870 to a Radeon HD 5770 - $174.99 - This will be a SAPPHIRE as soon as it is back in stock from Newegg.

Changed the power supply from a Broadway Com Corp 650W to a CORSAIR 750W -$109.99 with $70 instant and a $20 mail in rebate.

Changed the AMD Athlon X2 7850 2.8GHz to AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz

With my new changes my cost went to $797.44 for the computer including shipping.

I'll look into the other changes you guys have suggested and change my build accordingly.

So far my rig is as follows:

Case- Antec Nine Hundred ATX Mid Tower
Hard Drive - WD 640GB 7200RPM SATA
Motherboard - GIGABYTE 790X AMD
Video Card - XFX Radeon HD 5770 - NOTE: This will be SAPPHIRE as soon as it is back in stock.
Power Supply - CORSAIR 750W
Memory - G.SKILL 4GB (2x2GB.) DDR2 SDRAM
Processor - AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Triple Core

@lazyluong - I already have bought the new monitor last week, ASUS 23.6" LCD, and that is what prompted me to buy a new machine as it seemed plugging it in my monitor got a mind of its own and started failing my hardware (lol, doubtful but the day I plugged it in, I had failing memory and my PSU is going crazy, its too good for the current hardware, I'm tellin you!). So monitor isn't a concern. Though I will likely have to upgrade my OS eventually if I ever want to take advantage of more then 3GB of RAM unfortunately...

GooLooGooLoo · 11-16-2009, 06:52 PM

I suggest you get the HAF 922 over the Antec 900.

Its gona be a ***** trying to fit your video cards, poor cable management and cramped space with the Antec 900. I had to cut holes in my mobo tray + rearranging the HDDs in my Antec 900 to fit my 260 and 9800. Since your getting a modular psu expect a wire mess at the bottom of your case.

Haf 922 would be a much better choice. Alot more space, more air flow, cable management etc.

Btw their both the same price on newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-197-_-Product

Shattered Skies · 11-16-2009, 10:30 PM

Hmm good suggestion, consider it changed. I am going to start ordering parts one by one as I get the money instead of just one large purchase probably starting tonight or tomorrow.

Sakumo · 11-17-2009, 01:07 AM

Here's what I'd prefer instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.285908
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.288424
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131402
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136298
Use the 5770 you chosen. Any questions, just post it, I don't feel like posting a lengthy description why, only to have people ignore it...

lazyluong · 11-17-2009, 01:14 AM

it might be better to purchase all at once, because by the time you finally save up the money, the parts price will either go down, or for newer parts at the same cost.

btw, the Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W is a multi-rail of 25A per 12v rail. most of ati video card recommend 30A or higher. for the 5770, get a 40A or higher to be safe. go for single rail if you want a power supply with a high amount of amp. if it is under, your pc will be shutting off alot due to power shortage.

multi-rail power supply will just end up in wasting power which produce extra heat for your system if you don't use it. picking the right psu is best to get the minimum amount of watts, yet enough amps necessary for your system.

Sakumo · 11-17-2009, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phreejak

The reason there are increasingly more multiple rail PSUs is because it provides for more stability since the different components that draw power from the 12v rails do so at different rates. The rails will allow for a "balancing" of the draw so as to guard (as much as it can) against a rail being overwhelmed and thus, shutting down the PSU. You'll find dual, triple, quad and now, even five 12v rail systems in most PSUs - all with varying degree of amperage like from 15 to 22 amps.

It might get confusing when you see something like "quad 12v rails at 17 amps per rail with a total of 60amps". The math doesn't quite add up but that is because the rails are rated to handle that much amperage (say 17 each) but the total amperage of the PSU is slightly less.

Straight off of Tom's Hardware. But personally I prefer a single rail(less mess with high power stuff, but the 5770 is like 100W...18*12=216W)

lazyluong · 11-17-2009, 04:48 PM

agree with the single rail so much less of a hassle in determining watts and amps is sufficient, lol.

the 5770 uses roughly 100w idling, and 200w on load, which can goes all the way up to about 350w on load if OC or corssfire which is ~30amp. luckily the video card draw power from 2 cables, which i totally forgot to include in my calculation. yea, dumb mistake. anyways, with 2x 12v rail @25amp seem to total up to 50amp which actually tends to be a few 10-15% lower @ ~40 amp. i guess it is enough for 1 video card OC or corssfire but at factory speed.

it really depends if he wants to cross-fire both at oc speed or not, but base on his budget, but i will guess he will get one at normal speed just to be on the safe side so it should sufficient for his PC. so base on this, either Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W or Corsair 750TX 750W is good enough. as for me, i like to be safe and get the Corsair 850TX and not worry about power shortage for future updates or OCing, since history tend to show advance technology likes to be power hungry. I will admit i was surprise on how much lesser power that the 5770 consumed compared to the previous few cards.

Sakumo · 11-17-2009, 05:07 PM

The 5770 only requires 1 PCIe cable, not 2. The maximum the PCIe socket, the SOCKET can give out is 75W, the cable is around the same. If it truly requires 200W on load, it'd have 2 cables instead of 1. Also, it idles at 18W, not 100W, it requires 108W to run. Look it up on wiki, I know it's not the most reliable site, but what kind of kid actually keep up to date with technology, except for things like the iPod or their annoying cell phone...(Except me...)
It pulls a max of 54A of combined power. Divide that by 4, it comes out 13.5A each rail, but of course some rails are more power than others, but even at 10A for the 22A rails, that's still enough to power the 5770(s).

11-14-2009, 02:02 AM	#11 (permalink)
corasked Banned Join Date: May 2006 Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota Posts: 3,082 Reputation: 19	No offense, but that tower you're buying would be a waste unless you're getting watercooling, about 4 more harddrives, and a extra graphic card or two. you may want to save some money and get a cooler master 690 or something Last edited by corasked; 11-14-2009 at 02:07 AM.

11-14-2009, 04:46 AM	#12 (permalink)
lazyluong Dixie Banana Bar Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 299 Reputation: 10	Chassis: Cooler Master CM690 ATX Mid-Tower Case ($69.99) Power-Supply: Corsair TX850W Power Supply ($129.99 & $20 rebate) Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 945 Quad Core Processor ($174.99) Motherboard: ASUS M4A77TD PRO Motherboard ($94.99 & $10 rebate) Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 1GB ($149.99) RAM: OCZ PC3-12800 Gold RAM 1600mhz DDR3 Dual Channel ( 2x2GB ) 8-8-8-24 ($102.99 & $20 rebate) Hard-Drive: Western Digital WD5000AAKS Caviar Blue Hard Drive - 500GB, 7200rpm, 16MB, SATA-300, OEM ($54.99) Sub-Total: $777.93 Rebate: $50 if you're going to spend $100+ on a chassis, you might as well go for a full tower instead with LCS ^_~ for me, i would go buy it personally and bargain, lmao. i saved $100 on low cost pc i built for my little bro, and no shipping cost =p i also recommend you get a lower cost monitor for more cash to spend on your new desktop. i recommend either getting a full tower, or LCS. Last edited by lazyluong; 11-14-2009 at 04:59 AM.

11-16-2009, 06:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
Shattered Skies 500+ Posts???? Join Date: May 2006 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 512 Reputation: 19	Ah crap, I'll admit I forgot about posting extra help to here haha. I posted my same build on another forum and was spending more time there. Anyway, as for games being played, I'd probably be playing more of Empire Total Wars since it kicked the hell out of my current computer, and EVE Online. Those are the two MAIN ones. I've put off buying most new games just because I know my machine can't handle them. So I'm sure once I get a new rig my views will change. But my updated build isn't too much off from what you guys have posted, I don't think. I changed the Thermaltake V9 Steel ATX Mid Tower to an Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower - $99.99 with $40.00 instant savings. Changed the video card from the Radeon 4870 to a Radeon HD 5770 - $174.99 - This will be a SAPPHIRE as soon as it is back in stock from Newegg. Changed the power supply from a Broadway Com Corp 650W to a CORSAIR 750W -$109.99 with $70 instant and a $20 mail in rebate. Changed the AMD Athlon X2 7850 2.8GHz to AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz With my new changes my cost went to $797.44 for the computer including shipping. I'll look into the other changes you guys have suggested and change my build accordingly. So far my rig is as follows: Case- Antec Nine Hundred ATX Mid Tower Hard Drive - WD 640GB 7200RPM SATA Motherboard - GIGABYTE 790X AMD Video Card - XFX Radeon HD 5770 - NOTE: This will be SAPPHIRE as soon as it is back in stock. Power Supply - CORSAIR 750W Memory - G.SKILL 4GB (2x2GB.) DDR2 SDRAM Processor - AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Triple Core @lazyluong - I already have bought the new monitor last week, ASUS 23.6" LCD, and that is what prompted me to buy a new machine as it seemed plugging it in my monitor got a mind of its own and started failing my hardware (lol, doubtful but the day I plugged it in, I had failing memory and my PSU is going crazy, its too good for the current hardware, I'm tellin you!). So monitor isn't a concern. Though I will likely have to upgrade my OS eventually if I ever want to take advantage of more then 3GB of RAM unfortunately... Last edited by Shattered Skies; 11-16-2009 at 06:27 AM.

11-16-2009, 06:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
GooLooGooLoo Ape for Diddy Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 266 Reputation: 19	I suggest you get the HAF 922 over the Antec 900. Its gona be a ***** trying to fit your video cards, poor cable management and cramped space with the Antec 900. I had to cut holes in my mobo tray + rearranging the HDDs in my Antec 900 to fit my 260 and 9800. Since your getting a modular psu expect a wire mess at the bottom of your case. Haf 922 would be a much better choice. Alot more space, more air flow, cable management etc. Btw their both the same price on newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-197-_-Product __________________ Last edited by GooLooGooLoo; 11-16-2009 at 06:57 PM.

11-17-2009, 01:14 AM	#17 (permalink)
lazyluong Dixie Banana Bar Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 299 Reputation: 10	it might be better to purchase all at once, because by the time you finally save up the money, the parts price will either go down, or for newer parts at the same cost. btw, the Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W is a multi-rail of 25A per 12v rail. most of ati video card recommend 30A or higher. for the 5770, get a 40A or higher to be safe. go for single rail if you want a power supply with a high amount of amp. if it is under, your pc will be shutting off alot due to power shortage. multi-rail power supply will just end up in wasting power which produce extra heat for your system if you don't use it. picking the right psu is best to get the minimum amount of watts, yet enough amps necessary for your system. Last edited by lazyluong; 11-17-2009 at 01:29 AM.

11-16-2009, 10:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
Shattered Skies 500+ Posts???? Join Date: May 2006 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 512 Reputation: 19	Hmm good suggestion, consider it changed. I am going to start ordering parts one by one as I get the money instead of just one large purchase probably starting tonight or tomorrow.

11-17-2009, 04:48 PM	#19 (permalink)
lazyluong Dixie Banana Bar Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 299 Reputation: 10	agree with the single rail so much less of a hassle in determining watts and amps is sufficient, lol. the 5770 uses roughly 100w idling, and 200w on load, which can goes all the way up to about 350w on load if OC or corssfire which is ~30amp. luckily the video card draw power from 2 cables, which i totally forgot to include in my calculation. yea, dumb mistake. anyways, with 2x 12v rail @25amp seem to total up to 50amp which actually tends to be a few 10-15% lower @ ~40 amp. i guess it is enough for 1 video card OC or corssfire but at factory speed. it really depends if he wants to cross-fire both at oc speed or not, but base on his budget, but i will guess he will get one at normal speed just to be on the safe side so it should sufficient for his PC. so base on this, either Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W or Corsair 750TX 750W is good enough. as for me, i like to be safe and get the Corsair 850TX and not worry about power shortage for future updates or OCing, since history tend to show advance technology likes to be power hungry. I will admit i was surprise on how much lesser power that the 5770 consumed compared to the previous few cards. Last edited by lazyluong; 11-17-2009 at 04:53 PM.

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