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Gadiel · 11-06-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Norrin Radd

If you're going to "respect the dead", then say a prayer or be sad for everyone who has lost someone each day. Don't single something out because you saw it on the news or it was made aware to you. You wouldn't have cared had you not known.

wait we have /news here... people die every day... now thats unbelievable...

though your right you should pray for the families of the lost ones, they need it more then a spirit.

Hizumi · 11-06-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Norrin Radd

You're suggesting that you have to feel something more for a random, unknown human being that you've never interacted with, never would interact with, never will interact with, just because they happened to be a product of sexual intercourse on the same piece of land as you?

I disagree.

I care about the people I care about. I literally couldn't care less about anyone else and it's pretentious and hypocritical to say otherwise. If you care about a soldier, you should care about the Iraqi children blown to smithereens by cruise missiles in the name of "freedom" and "liberation".

They aren't protecting you from anything. The very fact that you still feel these soldiers are currently protecting you is a little misguided, I feel. Terrorism can and still will happen, regardless of Afghan occupation or not. Them being there isn't going to stop someone blowing something up in America.

If you're going to "respect the dead", then say a prayer or be sad for everyone who has lost someone each day. Don't single something out because you saw it on the news or it was made aware to you. You wouldn't have cared had you not known.

No I am not suggesting you HAVE to feel, when I say "Let us", I mean the people who WANT to, not because they should or feel like they should just because they're americans. Which is why I said some people do care and some people don't, if you don't care, then don't care. No one is forcing you to.

Norrin Radd · 11-06-2009, 11:33 PM

I just think it's a bit crass for someone to suggest you are being disrespectul by not caring enough to mourn the loss of somebody who was nobody to you.

Hizumi · 11-06-2009, 11:35 PM

No, I feel it's disrespectful that he's saying we americans will cry over everyone that dies in the news. What I'm trying to say, for the people who chose to shed the tears, let them and don't generalize them with every citizen living here

kain222 · 11-06-2009, 11:52 PM

It's not disrespectfull to not care and keep it to yourself, it's disrespectfull to rub it in the face and make some un-funny and immature joke about it.

Avarwen · 11-07-2009, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Miskav

Oh no, god forbid some americans die instead of iraqi.
Jezus christ, do you guys cry over every single death in the world?
This is just another war related bunch of deaths.

It's called sympathy something you don't have it's sad when anyone dies because someone has lost a loved one. But some one like you wouldn't understand that. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't care about the death of someone you love.

Norrin Radd · 11-07-2009, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Avarwen

It's called sympathy something you don't have it's sad when anyone dies because someone has lost a loved one. But some one like you wouldn't understand that. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't care about the death of someone you love.

Don't tell someone they lack sympathy and wouldn't understand what it's like to feel the pain of loss just because they don't care about random humans.

That's what you call disrespectful.

Fact is, people want to feel like they are "good", so they act sympathetic toward randoms. I will wager money that hardly anyone feels legitimately sad about random death, so why even act like it?

Fake sympathy is worse than none. Selective sympathy even worse.

Deimos · 11-07-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Norrin Radd

Fake sympathy is worse than none. Selective sympathy even worse.

yeah, there is a difference between sympathy and empathy.

alot of the time in cases like this i think people are misplacing sympathy. instead of being sympathetic they should be empathetic.

so instead of going "thats so sad, i feel terrible *tear" they should in fact be going "i can understand what a loss this is and can respect that people are upset"

unless you are involved in some way then anything else than that is probably just amateur dramatics, like when MJ or jade from big brother died.

::edit:: i know this sounds pitiless and cold.

AtomSlap · 11-07-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kain222

It's not disrespectfull to not care and keep it to yourself, it's disrespectfull to rub it in the face and make some un-funny and immature joke about it.

Ethics/morals are subjective. People believe in different 'rules', and live by them. Nothing universally dis-respectful about it. OR, the whole world could stop after every death, mourn their loss, put up shrines, dedicate a day to them, etc... in which case, we'd run out of memorial days within a minute.

suckerfish · 11-07-2009, 04:43 PM

A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan. The official said Hasan, believed to be in his late 30s, was killed after opening fire at the base. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.
A defense official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said Hasan was a mental health professional — an Army psychologist or psychiatrist. Officials say it was not clear what Hasan's religion was, but investigators are trying to determine if Hasan was his birth name or if he may have changed his name and converted to Islam at some point.

that has so point of being in here. why the **** does it matter? and the other shootings? this was about a guy in the military who shot at his own people. what the hell does that tell you? all the other is bullshit that is thrown in there to show some bias belief.

america is simply MORE ridiculous

11-06-2009, 11:52 PM	#45 (permalink)
kain222 Firor's Fury Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Swanage, in Dorset. Posts: 3,022 Reputation: 94	It's not disrespectfull to not care and keep it to yourself, it's disrespectfull to rub it in the face and make some un-funny and immature joke about it. __________________

11-07-2009, 04:43 PM	#50 (permalink)
suckerfish Ape for Diddy Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: buena park, ca Posts: 266 Reputation: 10	A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan. The official said Hasan, believed to be in his late 30s, was killed after opening fire at the base. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly. A defense official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said Hasan was a mental health professional — an Army psychologist or psychiatrist. Officials say it was not clear what Hasan's religion was, but investigators are trying to determine if Hasan was his birth name or if he may have changed his name and converted to Islam at some point. that has so point of being in here. why the **** does it matter? and the other shootings? this was about a guy in the military who shot at his own people. what the hell does that tell you? all the other is bullshit that is thrown in there to show some bias belief. america is simply MORE ridiculous __________________ HYPOTHALAMUS: HUNGER THIRST AND SEX [and body temperature]

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11-06-2009, 11:33 PM	#43 (permalink)
Norrin Radd Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Space Posts: 9,541 Reputation: 235	I just think it's a bit crass for someone to suggest you are being disrespectul by not caring enough to mourn the loss of somebody who was nobody to you.