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*sky

I think he was basing it off of probability more then faith. The probability that there are life forms out there are alot... if not significantly higher then if they arent.

Really? Wouldnt that mean that he would have a really hard time understanding what we are typing. I dont know anyone with it, but I thought it pertained more towards reading and spelling then writing. I might be wrong, for I dont know alot about it.

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Ordinary

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying the possibility to too low to be feasible. And I would think they'd need the same thing to live as we do, there's no evidence to suggest otherwise.

You can't just use that to increase your probability because it sounds good.

People with Dyslexia generally have a hard time spelling/reading. =P It doesn't mean he's unintelligent (although it's hard to throw off that generalization when the only view we have of him is his words).

*sky

As a friendly debate, why is the possibility too low to be feasible? Or should I say how is it too low?


The idea behind probability is that the higher the number the greater the chance.

An example is you have 5 coins and you throw them hoping two land on heads. You then take 10 coins and you throw them, hoping 2 land on heads. Here, you have a greater chance of 2 landing on heads with 10 coins then 5. This goes back to the alien thing. Based off of the uncountable amount of planets, the percentage of another life for out there is very large.

Oh I know he isnt intelligent, but I meant him typing. I thought it affected reading, not really him writing/typing

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Again, as a friendly debate.

I think you fail to realize the "special" circumstances that allows us to live on this planet. I might as well back that up with some facts.

First of all, We live in a fairly isolated part of the galaxy. Between 2 spiral arms of the Milky Way. We exist in a very small window called the "co-rotation radius" it pretty much means we don't get pulled into the more crowned arms of the Milky Way. If we were closer to stars, a lot more debris would be flying our way.

Also, without a Jupiter sized planet in it's position...the Earth would have been smashed by so many space debris there's no way we could live here.

In fact, even if we didn't have the unusually circular orbit we have around the sun our climate would differ so much, that life is almost impossible to survive on it. And astronomers have determined that the chance of a life supporting planet with our orbit and in the "habitable zone" is almost none.

Here's a direct quote from the American Astronomical Society:

"With this new information, it seems very unlikely that stable planetary systems, in which a small earth-like planet resides in the habitable zone, exist in any other galaxy in our universe. This does not even consider the other design parameters that are required for life to exist anywhere in the universe."

And that's just taking into account 2 variables of the MANY.

V-Opolis

probability isnt fact tho, so it would have to be based on faith to go to the "aliens exist" or "aliens dont exist" side instead of neutral. and what are the probabilities based on? there are no facts to base the probabilities off of, they are blind probabilities.

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Not at all, we can come to a very logical conclusion. While we can't be 100% sure, (just like God) we can make a fairly educated guess based on the evidence we have.

V-Opolis

there are alot more variables to it than flipping, but i get you.

but in the end you are falling on believe/faith by choosing a side in it. If you follow something without 100% fact, you are falling on faith.

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Ordinary

There are very few things you can be 100% sure on.

I'm 99% sure there are no aliens. That other 1% is faith yes.

But I'd rather bank on that 99% certainty based on evidence than on the alien believers 99% certainty based on no evidence.

V-Opolis

did you get yourself mixed up> or am i just to tired and not understanding?

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12 am here, sorry dude. I meant that 99% certainty based on evidence...thanks for catching it.