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Norrin Radd

Everyone walking around with a gun doesn't calm things down. If there is a civil war, which won't happen, then everyone has a gun. If there's one here, it would be less tragic.

It's not gonna happen. If it does, I will give you part of my ridiculous fortune. I'm not kidding. If it does, I will find out your details from you and give you enough money to buy War Machine armour!

Yes you can.

Gun crime is less here because guns aren't legal. I'm not sure where the hang-up is.

Yes, so you properly police it. I'm not saying everyone's gonna give up guns, I'm saying less guns = less gun crime.

That's the point of police, that's why there isn't anarchy. Why am I explaining this to you, sir? It's not pie in the sky, it's "Live in a place where guns aren't legal and you'll see.".

Yes, we didn't have short-sighted people writing a constitution, true. That just means that is was a bad call. It doesn't make it right.

You admit we have lower gun crime rate.

What's the problem then? The reason for that is that guns are illegal here.

Violent society can cause higher crime rate even if certain weapons are banned. Britain is an extremely high rated violence country, but we have less gun crime. That's all I'm saying.

Ours is knife crime, but that's impossible to stop because you can buy knives for anything. For dinner, even.

Less of something means...less of something.

That's due to poor policing though, especially in South America.

Still, your opinion is your own on how to tackle gun crime in the States. You can't deny that less guns means less gun crime and you haven't, so we can agree to disagree on the rest, sir.

gratscorpio

You simply do not under stand the vast logistical support networks and resources both human and material that would be needed to properly police 307 million people do you? can you really even come close to imagining that amount of money or man power it just simply wont happen.


Again you right most american are "short-sighted" and they will never and I mean never peacefully hand their gun over to any governmental body especially our own, they would have to be taken by force and if they are taken by force the american people will shot back.

You just do not get it do you, you are telling me all these "short-sighted" people will actually hand their guns over, and you truly believe that civil war and large scale death will not occur? really? I mean really?

again

The vast logistical and materials needed to properly police and de arm 307 million people would be far to vast and unresonable for any country to actually sustain for long and it will eventually if not imediatly fail (at the de arm part), especially a country such as out selves who are currently spending hand over fist even though we should not be..well the government at least is.

So for someone saying civil war will not happen should go read some history books your country is one of the worst in terms of recorded civil wars.I believe you country had 4 counting the parlimentarian and royalist conflicts, and the American revolution (not counting the African revolutions and Indian revolution, though those were mostly peacefull except for some part the African revolution again these are not the proper terms for them)

So i guess we are kinda better at talking out our issues compared to alot of other countries mmm i love history and how we to be honest just do not learn from it.

but ya try to learn a little about the American mind set befor assuming that de arming them would actually be a feasible or smart move.


again a pie in the sky is nice but in the end it just a pie in the sky

Im also sorry that your societies goals are not in line with you societies means resulting in such a large crime rate, but i guess same can be said about the american societies goals and means. Lets just hope this doesnt lead to alot of retreatism deviance and ritualistic deviance to occur for both countries and I know alot of innovative deviance all ready occurs in both any ways.

scorpio

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MarchoftheBlackLions

"Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public."

One's personal safety is one's personal responsibility. As it should be.

Depriving one the means to meet that responsibility is, I feel, immoral.

(Just throwing this in)

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AioshiKoun

Try living in the ghetto of a city thats in the top 10 for crime and murder

Anyways, people around where i live only carry weapons if they plan to use them. You will most likely not get shot or stabbed if you just do what they want to do. No one is just going to come up and randomly shoot you to steal some cell phone or ipod.

If you lose a 400$ ipod well that sucks, you should be able to not live in fear of this but thats how it is.

If you pull out a weapon prepare to die, most likely they will have a gun or be with at least 2 other people.

Sorry you had to go through this corasked. I know they're ignorant which is usually not their fault though. They were probably born and raised in an area where it's very hard for people there to grow up thinking about a safe and knowledgeable future. Oh yeah bring a knife or a gun to school to defend yourself against bullies or something, lets see who gets in trouble first.

And wtf scorpio, your saying we should all carry weapons to defend ourselves? You mean weapons to kill everyone who we deem as a threat right? Yeah that will definitely lower crime rate and make it safer for everyone here. Also your saying you got away from a mugging because you had a knife? You, alone, being mugged (muggings consist of at least 3 or more people) right.

My friend got mugged before to. 6 people came up from behind him with nothing but a thick rope and tied it around his neck, they were kicking him on the ground but didn't have the intention to harm him to the state where he might die. All they took was a fail MP3 player and a belt (wtf a belt? i guess they needed one lol)

I've been mugged twice, both times ive been held at gun point, both times i got away without any violence occurring.

And now out of nowhere you try to use big words to sound much more intelligence like what your saying is fact.

One, guns are outlawed in the UK, even police don't have guns with them. They would need a good reason to ever go get some to use them

Due to this their crime rate is WAAAY lower then that of the US. I know the US is a much larger country but people with opinions such as yours only furthers the very thing we're trying to get rid of.

and if i read ur post wrong my bad

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mazul

"Personal safety" is a very vague terminology, would you mind to elaborate how you make the distinction between "personal safety" and simply the safety of one individual? For instance, the safety of individuals is largely dependent on macroscopic organizations such as the government. What do you mean with "personal safety"?

Geneishacking

dude that's crazy.

gratscorpio

lol im sorry but please read up on sociology (it may seem useless but when talking about and thinking about societal issues it is actually pretty helpfull)and they are not even big words, and they have pretty simple meanings really but im willing to bet you took 0 sec to look them up/think about it or the concept wich would be Robert Mertons structural strain theory.

It can actually be tied into all forms of deviance and societal issues in either america or the uk and it is even easier to tie it into the problems that third world countries have.

http://social-anthropology.suite101....viant_behavior

here not the most in depth thing but it a good basic over view of the theory and the different forms of deviance (crimes and or other acts that violate a societies norms and rules, norms being accepted acts such as table manors etc and rules being laws etc)

hope this help you out.

and yes you did i simply posted that the people of america will not simply give their guns over to the government without some sort of force being needed...just not possible for a peacefull engagement between 2 very large bodies with extremly different opinions that are well armed as well.

and that the logistical support needed to actually sustain a dominate enough police force as to de arm(peacefully..ya right)and keep the populace de armed is just simply not feasible or possible for 307 million, sorry but it not people like me who make this possible I do not own a gun im simply saying those that do will not hand them over , guns are part of american society there is little much we can do about it.

make more sense?


scorpio

you can also (for free stuff) check the wiki for it but i generally recommend against wiki it is usually either an extremly watered down version or is filled with more useless crap than one can ever need on the subject.

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vi3tshiiet

You don't get that shiet in Australia.

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hobosexual

Crime rates in the UK are higher than they are in the U.S.

AioshiKoun

I meant all that shooting and murdering and all that good stuff

and yes scorpio of course people won't hand over their guns like nothing. There was no need for that whooooooooole wall of text, i get enough sociology stuff from my sister (who took that and communications in college) it gets sooo annoying

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