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Kashis · 11-09-2009, 08:39 AM

I don't feel like it's changed much over the years. Overall the series has been ok, but the games still pretty much have the same feeling to them (which isn't a bad thing) but do not feel like huge improvements over the older titles. I wouldn't say it's failing as a series though, more like hit and miss which seems to be the case because it seems everyone has a different opinion on which of the games are good and bad. I've played just about all of them including spins offs such as the tactical entries on the PS and GB/DS as well as the Rogues (Chocobo's Dungeon). The series feels to me like it's gone " ~ "

A good example of a continually improving series is Shin Megami Tensei/Persona/Devil Summoner series. Apart from the extreme failure SMT:I It's gotten better over the years with each game. They've gone " / "

A good example of a series that's failing: the Mana series. They've gone " ^ "

Azura · 11-09-2009, 09:23 AM

I've only played 1,2,4,6,7,8,9,11. My favorite was 6 & 7. I haven't beaten # 1 and 2, but I've completed 4,6,7,8,9. Sadly I wasn't able to obtain a copy of 3 & 5

. I haven't even played 10,12, or 13 yet, nor do I really plan to in the future. Personally imo, game started dropping off around FF 8&9. I hope that any future games they make, they will really put alot of effort into the story, but that seems unlikely the way things are going. Makes me sad..and thats when I go back and play one of the older games over again

Just started a new file on FF 2.

mazul · 11-09-2009, 09:25 AM

Have you considered the idea that now that you are older, things that amused you when you were younger simply don't have the same attraction anymore rather than Final Fantasy getting worse?

Azura · 11-09-2009, 09:32 AM

Final Fantasy isn't getting worse, but it's just that it's the same every time. That isn't a bad thing but that isn't also a good thing in this situation because we've had 10+ games with aprox. the same concept but just a revamped graphics and possible addons for the battle system. Though thats just my opinion, I haven't played anything past FF 9, excluding 11. New graphics do help, but they don't seem to have much of a hold on my interest as what a game with a good story would provide. It may be age affecting me, who knows.

cell59 · 11-09-2009, 10:50 AM

Final fantasy will never ever fail!

woot · 11-09-2009, 11:23 AM

the only FF i generally hate is 12 couldn't stand it at all but 13 looks great and 14 can't wait for

Norrin Radd · 11-09-2009, 11:32 AM

It went to shit after seven.

Inside · 11-09-2009, 11:39 AM

I like 7, 8 and 9.

I dislike everything after 9

Lalafell · 11-09-2009, 12:25 PM

13 and 14 both look really good to me. I think graphics can be really beneficial in an RPG because everything is so cinematic. I don't think it's really a waste that they're shifting towards graphics on their new Final Fantasy titles. That's the whole point in developing for next-gen consoles.

Anyway, this topic has been coming up a lot lately and I think people who say the series has gone to shit lately are just trying to make the statement that they're "old school".

I didn't get into Final Fantasy until after X was released, so this could possibly cloud my judgement. However, I've beaten every Final Fantasy game from IV through XII.

I'll admit that I didn't think X was a very fun experience, nor X-2. I just didn't like the characters or the story very much. I also don't consider IX to have been much of an epic... While it's true that IV through VIII were amazing, they were no more awesome than the two latest Final Fantasy titles, XI and XII. V also would have much less enjoyable if it weren't for the awesome job system which influenced later Final Fantasy titles.
XI is my favorite MMORPG of all time, and XII is one of my favorite single-player RPGs.

VII's cast of characters was near flawless but I don't think it's fair to look back on your nostalgic PS1 experiences and say, "the series has changed since then, so it must be a bad thing." We'd be complaining much more if the series didn't evolve in some way...

bonneau_14 · 11-09-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vorufugango

I feel Final Fantasy has been on the decline since V, or VIII at the very most.
The characters' back-stories no longer really interest me, and as you mentioned, their personalities do seem to have become downgraded over the years, though the technical quality of them have improved very much.

Final Fantasy's story formula is much what you said, member of BAD GUY ORGANIZATION / NATION X, GOOD GUY/GIRL has "moral epiphany", leaves said Organization / Nation, joins a rebel group, ends up dismantling evil schemes, thus saving the world with the Power of Love and Friendship once more.

Or just have the main character get mixed up in some nonsense, and just sticks along for the ride. Like FFXII.

Though that is probably the [Japanese]RPG formula in general, and not just Final Fantasy, either way, it's been starting to take it's toll on me.

Well in seven the storyline is just so damn deep, its not nearly as simple as what you propose. I don't know if you were too young to understand whats going on or have never played the games. The sequels really don't add too much to the story, they just elaborate on seeds planted in the first one.

But, thats coming from a fanboy so...

11-09-2009, 08:39 AM	#11 (permalink)
Kashis OnRPG Elite Member! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 4,680 Reputation: 145	I don't feel like it's changed much over the years. Overall the series has been ok, but the games still pretty much have the same feeling to them (which isn't a bad thing) but do not feel like huge improvements over the older titles. I wouldn't say it's failing as a series though, more like hit and miss which seems to be the case because it seems everyone has a different opinion on which of the games are good and bad. I've played just about all of them including spins offs such as the tactical entries on the PS and GB/DS as well as the Rogues (Chocobo's Dungeon). The series feels to me like it's gone " ~ " A good example of a continually improving series is Shin Megami Tensei/Persona/Devil Summoner series. Apart from the extreme failure SMT:I It's gotten better over the years with each game. They've gone " / " A good example of a series that's failing: the Mana series. They've gone " ^ " __________________ "Rules do not exist to bind you, they exist so you may know your freedoms" "Death is blind. It comes for all souls regardless of their worth (or lack thereof)." Be careful of what you say, tomorrow or today, for the words you now speak, may become the poison your enemies later seek; truth http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Kashis

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11-09-2009, 09:23 AM	#12 (permalink)
Azura Diddy Kong's Boxers Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Somewhere Posts: 652 Reputation: 22	I've only played 1,2,4,6,7,8,9,11. My favorite was 6 & 7. I haven't beaten # 1 and 2, but I've completed 4,6,7,8,9. Sadly I wasn't able to obtain a copy of 3 & 5 . I haven't even played 10,12, or 13 yet, nor do I really plan to in the future. Personally imo, game started dropping off around FF 8&9. I hope that any future games they make, they will really put alot of effort into the story, but that seems unlikely the way things are going. Makes me sad..and thats when I go back and play one of the older games over again Just started a new file on FF 2.

11-09-2009, 09:25 AM	#13 (permalink)
mazul Rock Man Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 416 Reputation: 10	Have you considered the idea that now that you are older, things that amused you when you were younger simply don't have the same attraction anymore rather than Final Fantasy getting worse?

11-09-2009, 09:32 AM	#14 (permalink)
Azura Diddy Kong's Boxers Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Somewhere Posts: 652 Reputation: 22	Final Fantasy isn't getting worse, but it's just that it's the same every time. That isn't a bad thing but that isn't also a good thing in this situation because we've had 10+ games with aprox. the same concept but just a revamped graphics and possible addons for the battle system. Though thats just my opinion, I haven't played anything past FF 9, excluding 11. New graphics do help, but they don't seem to have much of a hold on my interest as what a game with a good story would provide. It may be age affecting me, who knows.

11-09-2009, 10:50 AM	#15 (permalink)
cell59 Manic's Maniacal Machine Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,995 Reputation: 24	Final fantasy will never ever fail!

11-09-2009, 11:32 AM	#17 (permalink)
Norrin Radd Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Space Posts: 9,541 Reputation: 235	It went to shit after seven.

11-09-2009, 12:25 PM	#19 (permalink)
Lalafell Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 835 Reputation: 66	13 and 14 both look really good to me. I think graphics can be really beneficial in an RPG because everything is so cinematic. I don't think it's really a waste that they're shifting towards graphics on their new Final Fantasy titles. That's the whole point in developing for next-gen consoles. Anyway, this topic has been coming up a lot lately and I think people who say the series has gone to shit lately are just trying to make the statement that they're "old school". I didn't get into Final Fantasy until after X was released, so this could possibly cloud my judgement. However, I've beaten every Final Fantasy game from IV through XII. I'll admit that I didn't think X was a very fun experience, nor X-2. I just didn't like the characters or the story very much. I also don't consider IX to have been much of an epic... While it's true that IV through VIII were amazing, they were no more awesome than the two latest Final Fantasy titles, XI and XII. V also would have much less enjoyable if it weren't for the awesome job system which influenced later Final Fantasy titles. XI is my favorite MMORPG of all time, and XII is one of my favorite single-player RPGs. VII's cast of characters was near flawless but I don't think it's fair to look back on your nostalgic PS1 experiences and say, "the series has changed since then, so it must be a bad thing." We'd be complaining much more if the series didn't evolve in some way...