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DarkAztaroth

Please read the post above yours, Xeno is better at explaining than I am. His post explains why your 2 last posts aren't logical. Anyway I'm leaving this thread. Now I'm seeing why my law and social education teacher was sad this class wasn't given in any other high school..

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Xenonight2

No.

Some things should not be left to a democratic vote. Ever heard of the buzzphrase, "Tyranny of the Majority"? It's usually how slavery, and bigotry, and persecution for religion, race, or sexuality starts.

Just because the majority wants something does not make it legal, or even morally right. To bring up a previous example again: even if 100% of the population did write in votes in that George Bush be elected again in the 2008 election, he could not, because the law states that he could not. Not that George Bush ever cared about the laws of the country he ran, but that's a different story.

Claudezero

basically in a nutshell of this post, a democratic country we need agreements on both houses, which rarely happens.

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mazul

The Bill of Rights is not a flawless document that tells you what is right and what is wrong. It can be changed. For instance, slavery was for quite some time allowed according to the Bill of Rights. Furthermore, there is also room for interpretation, which is why several people argued that the current version of the Bill of Rights does not necessarily justify the current weapon laws. This is why I stand by my previous argument that the main reasons against stricter gun laws are: tradition and ideology.

Ronin

The little issue in the whole deal, why people need to find a way to agree and work things out is this:

It affects me, if I pay it.
My taxes are used, it's not a matter that does not concern me at all.

Just recently there has been a big step in my country to enable gays to have a legal partnership, which I totally approve of.
If I wouldn't though, I would be frustrated and I would be unhappy, if I had not voiced this frustration publicly and politically.

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Claudezero

the first amendment will never be changed.along with a few others.

if they were changed, its only for the better of the country.

and yeah it has a few flaws, but hell they keep YOU talking and alive doesnt it?

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Str1der

The Bill of Rights comment was made to defend your post about guns. I was only using it to state that we have the right to bear arms and nothing else.

However else it is interupted is up the person reading it.

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mazul

I disagree, the government should, according to my ideals, always have the right to change any law through a process of democratic voting. Naturally, any change that concerns the constitution should require more work to pass through to minimize influence through corruption.

Edit: so much to read now, seems like I missed quite many posts while typing.

Ronin

The government, though.

Not you, the government.

It's a republic with democratically elected representatives, who make the decisions.
Not you.

Often it's in your best interest if they do not listen to other people. They have to decide what is right and what is not.
You can just tell them what you like and what you don't.

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mazul

It is the inhabitants that indirectly affect their decision through votes and threat of changing votes. So, no, I am not asking for random decisive country-wide polls where there has been little to no information delivered beforehand.