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Zelker · 05-24-2006, 11:57 PM

My dream is really to become a video game programmer, and it has been for so long I don't even remember when I started to want to. I have been playing with a couple of clients over the past years (Playerworlds, ORPGE, Realm Crafter.) And I decided it was time to start a programming language.

But I'm not asking which one makes better games.

I am asking which one is easier.

I am only a mere 13 year old, and I haven't learned a lot of math, except a few variables, and no trigeometry. So I ask you, for a 13-year old, which one would be easier?

And the Pros and Cons of both of them please?

Thank you,

Zelker AKA Zephrith

Saint · 05-25-2006, 12:59 AM

Java is a much better language for beginners. It isn't nearly as useful as C++ but it works with objects and works well with graphics. I recommend learning it first then moving onto C++. C++ is a terrible language to start with, especailly because at 7th grade the most advanced math you've probably taken is pre-algebra.

Tocs1001 · 05-25-2006, 01:18 AM

I'd go c++! I started when I was 8 years old, you'll grab it fine! By the time you need some high level math you'll have learned it in High School. I'm 15 now and I've started on my MMORPG. I wouldnt say Java's easier than c++ they have the same syntax except for a couple difference's in the way things work. You'll be learning the language, and you wont have all that much use for some trig, I didnt use trig until 3 years after I started with some odd ball task an 11 year old (me) was banging his head into the wall trying to figure it out, but my dad just wrote down the equation, and the code and I never thought twice about it, I didnt even understand it, but it worked and was fine! but many beginner projects wont use trig, if you know how to add, subtract, multiply and devide you'll be fine! You can make many projects like snake, pac man, maze finding programs, all sorts of fun stuff without knowing trig! I'd start with c++ because it has more expandablity than Java and in the future if you want to know java its easier to go from c++ to java than vice versa. Wether you use java or c++ you'll run into the same math at the same time. I'd start with c++ do comand prompt aplications using basic input, output, and get used to the language, Then I would pick up a 2D game programming book and really goto town. I made snake, pacman, a snowball fight game, a cell game like how the pokemon games worked without combat, astroids, space invaders all before i became 13, knowing how much you know now will not only make learning a programming language easier but it wont take so long as it did for me, I could hardly understand tutorials and books! Java's boring anyway...(in my opinion)

Zelker · 05-25-2006, 01:30 AM

Tocs, I really like your post, but I think I will go with Java, since you had your dad to support you, while I have no one.

Java, here I come!

I read the first two pages of a C++ guide and just stopped, the first time I wanted to make a MMORPG. The math was far too advanced, and it had be quitting for about 7 months.

But now I am back in Black. With Java that is!

But, is it possible to learn Java first, and then start on C++? Would C++ be either?

-Zelker

Saint · 05-25-2006, 01:34 AM

Java is based on C so C++ should be a breeze after you learn Java.

MisterPoppet · 05-25-2006, 01:43 AM

I agree, plus learning one programming language allows you to learn a lot of basic need to know concepts on programming in generel... I know there's a better way to explain it, but I can't think of it.

Java's easier, and you can still do some nifty things with it.

-Bryan-

Zelker · 05-25-2006, 02:22 AM

A question though.

Anyone know any guides on the internet to help me start out?

Then, I'll buy a book, but I would like to know the basics of Java first.

-Zelker

MisterPoppet · 05-25-2006, 02:32 AM

You can always start with the Java Tutorial.

http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/

mmorpgheadquarter · 05-25-2006, 09:17 AM

I'm sure this topic is going to help you. read it carefully.

Zelker · 05-25-2006, 09:28 PM

Well, I guess I am going to Java.

Although, when I quit, I wasted 6 months of time in which I could study. Does it affect this? Will I be able to make it up?

-Zelker

05-24-2006, 11:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
Zelker Marios's Mustache Wax Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7 Reputation: 10	Beggining Programmer: Java or C++? My dream is really to become a video game programmer, and it has been for so long I don't even remember when I started to want to. I have been playing with a couple of clients over the past years (Playerworlds, ORPGE, Realm Crafter.) And I decided it was time to start a programming language. But I'm not asking which one makes better games. I am asking which one is easier. I am only a mere 13 year old, and I haven't learned a lot of math, except a few variables, and no trigeometry. So I ask you, for a 13-year old, which one would be easier? And the Pros and Cons of both of them please? Thank you, Zelker AKA Zephrith

05-25-2006, 12:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Saint Firor's Fury Join Date: May 2006 Location: Former staff, despite what fascist staff members might say. Posts: 3,029 Reputation: 35	Java is a much better language for beginners. It isn't nearly as useful as C++ but it works with objects and works well with graphics. I recommend learning it first then moving onto C++. C++ is a terrible language to start with, especailly because at 7th grade the most advanced math you've probably taken is pre-algebra. __________________

05-25-2006, 01:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
Tocs1001 Cloud's Hair Spray Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 63 Reputation: 10	I'd go c++! I started when I was 8 years old, you'll grab it fine! By the time you need some high level math you'll have learned it in High School. I'm 15 now and I've started on my MMORPG. I wouldnt say Java's easier than c++ they have the same syntax except for a couple difference's in the way things work. You'll be learning the language, and you wont have all that much use for some trig, I didnt use trig until 3 years after I started with some odd ball task an 11 year old (me) was banging his head into the wall trying to figure it out, but my dad just wrote down the equation, and the code and I never thought twice about it, I didnt even understand it, but it worked and was fine! but many beginner projects wont use trig, if you know how to add, subtract, multiply and devide you'll be fine! You can make many projects like snake, pac man, maze finding programs, all sorts of fun stuff without knowing trig! I'd start with c++ because it has more expandablity than Java and in the future if you want to know java its easier to go from c++ to java than vice versa. Wether you use java or c++ you'll run into the same math at the same time. I'd start with c++ do comand prompt aplications using basic input, output, and get used to the language, Then I would pick up a 2D game programming book and really goto town. I made snake, pacman, a snowball fight game, a cell game like how the pokemon games worked without combat, astroids, space invaders all before i became 13, knowing how much you know now will not only make learning a programming language easier but it wont take so long as it did for me, I could hardly understand tutorials and books! Java's boring anyway...(in my opinion) __________________ Legends of Alterion - Under Development toast lands butter down, cats land on their feet, what happens when u strap toast to a cat?..... Math indicates they will hover in quatom indecision...(yet to be tested) Last edited by Tocs1001; 05-25-2006 at 01:24 AM.

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05-25-2006, 01:30 AM	#4 (permalink)
Zelker Marios's Mustache Wax Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7 Reputation: 10	Tocs, I really like your post, but I think I will go with Java, since you had your dad to support you, while I have no one. Java, here I come! I read the first two pages of a C++ guide and just stopped, the first time I wanted to make a MMORPG. The math was far too advanced, and it had be quitting for about 7 months. But now I am back in Black. With Java that is! But, is it possible to learn Java first, and then start on C++? Would C++ be either? -Zelker

05-25-2006, 01:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
MisterPoppet Orc's Breathmint Join Date: May 2006 Location: In the annex of creation... Posts: 113 Reputation: 10	I agree, plus learning one programming language allows you to learn a lot of basic need to know concepts on programming in generel... I know there's a better way to explain it, but I can't think of it. Java's easier, and you can still do some nifty things with it. -Bryan-

05-25-2006, 02:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
Zelker Marios's Mustache Wax Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7 Reputation: 10	A question though. Anyone know any guides on the internet to help me start out? Then, I'll buy a book, but I would like to know the basics of Java first. -Zelker

05-25-2006, 02:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
MisterPoppet Orc's Breathmint Join Date: May 2006 Location: In the annex of creation... Posts: 113 Reputation: 10	You can always start with the Java Tutorial. http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/

05-25-2006, 09:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
mmorpgheadquarter Ride em’ Yoshi Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 174 Reputation: 10	I'm sure this topic is going to help you. read it carefully.

05-25-2006, 09:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
Zelker Marios's Mustache Wax Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7 Reputation: 10	Well, I guess I am going to Java. Although, when I quit, I wasted 6 months of time in which I could study. Does it affect this? Will I be able to make it up? -Zelker