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Kevinboyz

Well, doesn't matter what side your own, its just a paper. You can be against it or for it, doesn't really matter. There is obviously people that disagree and people that agree, pick a side, enter the conversation and defend your argument.

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AioshiKoun

Dunno much about this but there's a Wiki page on it. I also doubt that the info here would be corrupted anyways. There's a list of for profit schools and some controversy with the federal pell grant. There are also other things, however it seems like they would be pretty hard to argue that it's exclusive to only for profit schools.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For-profit_school

Not entirely sure on this but, I'm guessing non profit schools are public ones and for profit are private institutions. Lets say a SUNY (State University of New York) vs Syracuse University (Private). Totally a guess here though so don't take my word for it.

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hobolord

Id use the references in wikipiedia, but never wikipedia itself. I would'nt say websites are a good source, but the PFDs or gov/edu websites are usually a reasonably trust-able source.

sinnful

I go to a private Christian college that is non-profit, the issue comes up with colleges such as Phoenix, Devry, and Globe among others that are just pumping out students as fast as they can for a profit without really caring about the quality of education they receive. For example some have been caught admitting felons into their criminal justice programs without telling the prospective student that they would never be able to find a job in that field since they are a convicted felon.

Ronin

Well, what's the ethical dilemma of the youth paying for their own education by watching adds of products?

What is it with contracted minimum sales of cafeteria products, which makes a school a sales place where coincidentally some schooling is going on?

What is it with biased coursework/material/projects which are sponsored?

What is it with the general ethics of children/young adults -marketing?
(Marketing contrary to solely advertising, but rather as shaping and creating a market (including ads).)

Including:
What is the ethical consequence of the employer deciding what the future employee gets to see and how does it affect a "free" society?

Is the "universal and total" education approach of melting research and education combinable with the idea of decentralized, profit driven, hyper-specialized, bottom down market crafted institution and does both the research and the education that is facilitated deserve the name?

Also: How does the executive shield the youth from making mistakes in their decision on which education to choose (While being mostly totally unaware of all relevant factors)? What is the fair position of private run institutions at all, being sponsored or for profit?

What is the interest in education in general, for the individual, the school, the society and the state?

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Ronin

Hmmm, I don't get it, who gives out loans to people who can't pay them back?

How also is this the colleges fault and in which way are they responsible for that?
Can they force you to open up your financial details for them? Wtf...

This comes from a person who is clueless about that very topic, as student loans de facto don't exist where I live.

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hian

It's like that with loans anywere I know.

in fact, most dubious organizations prefer to loan to people who "can't pay it back" - Not people who can't pay back at all, but people who are poor, or clueless to the degree that they either keep on amassing rent on the loan, or have to accept prolonged alternative payment methods.
This way the company makes a much larger profit.

On-topic:

I'd say the biggest problem with private education institutions(for profit, and otherwise) is pretty damn obvious:

It's the fact that the main motivation for proper education, should be the betterment of the people(skills, abilities, knowledge etc) I.E quality education - Not the profit of some organization.

It's dubious for several reasons, and all stemming from this very problem.

Firstly, because a private school, is not just an institution, but a bussiness. Like a 7/11, or Sony, it's dependant on customers.
If customers don't come, it shuts down.
In other words, students and would-be students, are now more likely to appear as clients, and would-be clients, to the administration of the school.

Marketing becomes much more important. The result is usually(this has been studied in detail, so I'm sure you can find something on it), that the level on private schools become softer, as they can't fail too many students because it would damage the reputation of the school(which would damage the bussiness).

Secondly, the total charge taken off the students is usually, completely dispropotional to the what is actually needed to run the school, and again reflects, what I'd consider rather cynical dishonest bussiness style.
Since the bussiness in this case, poses like an education institution, I find it much the same as when higher members of religious institutions, or artists, greatly profit from cheap work wrapped in false "moral motivations" - That is to say I find it distastefull to the extreme.

Thirdly, it undermines the position of the private schools, which are forced into a competative market, they were not intended for to begin with.
As private schools let the clients circumvent any issues they may or may not have with public ones, such issues are never adressed, and if the option of going private becomes more popular, the position of non-profit schools is grealty marginalized in all ways - There is no point in the state spending money on public alternatives anymore.

Fourthly, it will eventually lead to large social differences -
Children of poor people go to public schools with stooping quality, and never
get good educations, or they take giant loans, get educated, but are stuck as debt-slaves for 10+ years.

Finally, if the private sector becomes to large, it will eventually become extremely hard to monitor and to quality-check, which again will lead to a falling of quality of education.
This means that rich and poor alike will be more likely than not, to recieve sub-par education.

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