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Originally Posted by iMicro
Oh my god, you're right! Surely Valve weren't the ones to invent the minigun and baseball bat!
But they were the first to implement all those weapons into classes. I wonder how they chose the weapon for the scout-like character, they probably came up with a list of melee weapons then did some dice-rolling right? They could have chose 100s of different melee weapons, it just had to be an aluminum bat, and the class using it just had to have a double jump right? Stop being ignorant and open your eyes.
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Maybe you should open your eyes an notice that HAVE hasn't even hinted at having classes. You should also open your eyes and realize some of the weapons in Team Fortress 2 have been used in other classes in other games. In Enemy Territory, the soldier can use a panzerfaust/bazooka, the covert ops gets a sniper rifle and the engineer gets a shotgun. But all that doesn't matter because saying "this guy will use this weapon" in
NO WAY makes that weapon more original. Team Fortress 2 still use very generic weapons.
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Originally Posted by iMicro
Ok, now you're just denying the obvious. I'd like you to name a game that was class based with a scout/heavy/demo/soldier before TF in 1996, or to be more specific, name a game with a class that had a baseball bat, ran fast, and double jumped, and a class with a guy that shot pipe bombs out and had one eye. The classes share an obvious resemblance in appearance, the soldier could have looked a lot different, the demo is a clear ripoff. You can keep lying to yourself though, as for the sniper, what is with the "HEAD SHOT" every time you HS someone? Does this not remind of of the green CRITICAL HIT when you shoot someone in the head?(what other games have big green letters that appear on your screen after you hs someone?). So it's not a direct 100% ripoff, but it has borrowed multiple elements from TF2, and saying you see no resemblance other than the grenades is just stupid.
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I'd also like you to tell me at what point HAVE mentioned it had classes. You can clearly see gameplay footage of the soldier-esque character using a minigun. In case you haven't noticed, you don't run faster with the bat. The guy with the grenade launcher and one eye isn't supposed to be a black Scotsman, it's supposed to be a evil, psychotic robot. Please look at him a little harder. There's more to him then just a missing eye. Believe it or not, the "soldier" in HAVE and the soldier from Team Fortress 2 are both based off of
SOLDIERS. You know why they both have a large metal hat and a rocket launcher? Because soldiers wear armor and carry weapons. Both games just took that idea and characterized it as something that's hard to take seriously. That's how all the classes in Team Fortress 2 were created, believe it or not. No, the "HEAD SHOT" text doesn't remind me me of the "CRITICAL HIT" sign from Team Fortress 2. You know what it does remind me of? That annoying voice from Quake 3 that shouts "HEAD SHOT" every time you hit someone in the head. The only reason that text is there is to make you feel proud of yourself for pulling of a difficult shot. The reason the text in Team Fortress 2 is there is to tell you that your shot did more damage then usual. And since HAVE has the text appear on the HUD and Team Fortress 2 has it appear in the middle of the air, the only thing both these features have in common is that they both appear right after you head shot someone. That's not a resemblance. The only thing HAVE has "borrowed" from Team Fortress 2 is the grenade design. That's it. Sure, Team Fortress 2 most likely inspired parts of the game, but only retards would start screaming "RIPOFF" because of that.
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Originally Posted by iMicro
Ohh ok, so the one eyed Demoman was all just a coincidence, I see. Every game has a one eyed demoman nowadays.
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The only features that the robot has with the demoman is that they both use a grenade launcher and they both have 1 eye. If you say it's a rip-off because of that then you are ignoring everything else about those characters. The demoman is a drunk, black, Scotsman. Does that show in the robot? No. Again, look at the robot's design. He has metal bolts going through his face, a teeth pattern on the bottom of his face and an elongated red eye. All of that is there to try and give the impression that the robot is evil. So let's recap, we have a crazy black Scotsman and a psychotic robot. But hey! They both have 1 eye so they must be the same!