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Old 05-16-2011, 01:50 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I really don't know what to say. It's a shame that he was treated this way for 28 years. He was charged with armed robbery, killed 2 inmates, and a officer. So he was sent to solitary confinement. But, for 28 years? Sure, it'd be incredibly difficult for me to forgive him if he killed someone who was close to me, but, I wouldn't wish something like this on anyone. It's inhumane.

For you to say: "He deserved it because he killed someone", it's just not right. If you continue to read the article, the daughter of the officer forgives him. The way the officers treated him, by putting him in solitary confinement for so long, is definitely against the rules.

This isn't punishing someone. This is torture.

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Old 05-16-2011, 07:51 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Death is instant. What he did was wrong, true, but what he was put through was much, much worse. Death is imminent. We all die. Yes, I wouldn't have forgiven him if he had killed someone important to me, but I would never want to treat another human being like that. I mean, even the Pope forgave the guy that tried to kill him.

One thing I've learned in life, is that punishment rarely works. Teach them. Educate them. If a person is treated like crap he will always feel resentment towards the individual, but if he is treated with respect, he will feel peace.

Take WW2 for example. After Germany and Japan were defeated, the U.S. helped rebuild their countries and economies. And there was peace, unlike in WW1 where all they did was punish the Germans until they vowed revenge.
Worse than death? How about the children that now grow up fatherless, the wife that struggles to raise her kids now. All the other lives this event now effects and changes for the rest of their lives. Why should this man be given any less that what he got?

Though I will agree forced labor with minimal food would of put him to better use. Work him until he is dead hopefully he regrets his actions shortly before he passes away. Even if he doesn't he gives society free work for how ever long he makes it and we don't have to pay substantial tax dollars to fund them.

Also what would you suggest to do with a genetical predisposed sociopath who kills for the hell of it. Really solitary confinment would be the only way to keep them from killing. (Dont give me that we can fix them crap, no you can't fix a sociopath)

Seriously I am not okay knowing my tax dollats goes to give these worthless criminals free beds/heating/cooling/food/entertainment. They should have to work for it or not get it. A small cell with no windows is all they deserve.

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Old 05-16-2011, 08:30 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I think people need to understand that torturing a person will not undue the wrongs.
And this kind of torture will not change a person for better.

It uses lots of tax payer money for no benefit.

And I find it disturbing that some people try to create a separation between criminals like him and themselves. As if those criminals are no longer human.
Even if the criminals weren't somehow human it is disturbing to think just because something is not human it shouldn't matter what terrible things are done to it.

Humans are all capable of murder. And there may be circumstances that will bring us all to commit those very same crimes. You may not believe yourself capable of such things but experience can change that.

Sure he should be punished in some way but torturing someone makes us no better and sometimes worse.

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Seriously I am not okay knowing my tax dollats goes to give these worthless criminals free beds/heating/cooling/food/entertainment. They should have to work for it or not get it. A small cell with no windows is all they deserve.

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Well one way or another your tax dollars are going towards his living expenses.

If you put him on death row you are spending a large magnitude more.
And he could be on death row for decades.

Solitary confinement is not cheap either.
This kind of solitary confinement just makes the person even crazier.
So you are not doing anything productive there.

And I wouldn't like my money going towards the torture of another person even if he did do something horrible.
I wouldn't want to bring myself down to his level.

It all comes down to their sentence.
Some are sentenced to life in prison while others have a set time before release and some are on parole.

For those that will be released from prison you wouldn't want to make them worse off. You would want to try rehabilitating them for society.
The only problem is that society tends to view all criminals the same and shuns them.
This makes it near impossible for them to reintegrate back into society as finding a job is harder and sometimes finding a place is harder too.
So when these people are let out of prison whether they be a small time drug offender or a murderer they will find it harder to get by.
And when that happens a lot of them will resort to risky illegal deals because it makes money and their options are limited.

There are many variables but it basically means that we are not rehabilitating criminals for society and we can't keep them all in prison.
Our prisons are full of people some who don't really need to be in such confinement. We spend lots of money for such an unproductive purpose.
And while doing so nobody wants a prison near them so it limits where a prison can be which makes them easier to be overcrowded.

Arrrgg there are so many problems it makes my head hurt just thinking about it.

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Old 05-16-2011, 08:52 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Ehh after awhile you get use to it. I was in jail for a couple weeks the hardest part is realizing that you can't do any better the your current situation and you just have to be good and ride it out.. Damn though I seriously would've hung myself from the light with my underwear. That man has an amazing will to live.

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Worse than death? How about the children that now grow up fatherless, the wife that struggles to raise her kids now. All the other lives this event now effects and changes for the rest of their lives. Why should this man be given any less that what he got?

Though I will agree forced labor with minimal food would of put him to better use. Work him until he is dead hopefully he regrets his actions shortly before he passes away. Even if he doesn't he gives society free work for how ever long he makes it and we don't have to pay substantial tax dollars to fund them.

Also what would you suggest to do with a genetical predisposed sociopath who kills for the hell of it. Really solitary confinment would be the only way to keep them from killing. (Dont give me that we can fix them crap, no you can't fix a sociopath)

Seriously I am not okay knowing my tax dollats goes to give these worthless criminals free beds/heating/cooling/food/entertainment. They should have to work for it or not get it. A small cell with no windows is all they deserve.

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You're stupid.
Half the "criminals" in prison are probably a better person than you are, they're just more impulsive and went down a different path. You don't know their lives.

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Old 05-16-2011, 11:09 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Ehh after awhile you get use to it. I was in jail for a couple weeks the hardest part is realizing that you can't do any better the your current situation and you just have to be good and ride it out.. Damn though I seriously would've hung myself from the light with my underwear. That man has an amazing will to live.



You're stupid.
Half the "criminals" in prison are probably a better person than you are, they're just more impulsive and went down a different path. You don't know their lives.
Yes a thiefing murderous rat is a better person than me a hard working college student who donates to his local food banks every week using his own money. So I should change my ways drop out of school brutally take what I want and walk all over everyone else just because I was delt a bad hand...oh wait i was delt a bad hand but instead of being a low life I worked hard to pay for school (I'll admit I got some financial stimulation from the gov, but thats only because i applied and didn't let the subject go..something anyone can do) and volunteered to help others.

You got me im a shallow lowly impulsive animal as well! I better start name calling and impulsivly accusing people of low intelligence on the internet because I can't properly explain my thoughts.

and I never said they don't deserve a bed/tv/food..I said they should have to work for it like everyone else. That way the tax dollars spent will be returned to us in the form of useful labor, sure working them to death wont be for all just the ones on death row.

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Old 05-17-2011, 02:51 AM   #36 (permalink)
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That's just inhumane.
its call punishment.

hope he learned his lesson, and that this punishment was just

edit: Killed 3 people in Jail? Its hard to believe whether they actually threatened his life, considering in jail you lie so much about what actually happened you believe it. Geez, thats hell on earth.
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Old 05-18-2011, 06:15 AM   #37 (permalink)
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The guy killed 3 people. It's not like his punishment was arbitrary.
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