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TheSkald

The dialogue and acting kill them for me. I can't even watch the second one. Jesus.

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chili01

I wish they would make Old Republic Movies.

Anyway, I liked eps 1-3 because of more lightsaber combat.
Also Ep3 best because of Darth Vader "Noooo!"

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hian

The large portion of "fans" who hated on the new movies while comparing them to the old ones, stand as a firm testament to how biased most fans are when they're comletely wrapped up in nostalgia trips from source material they haven't revissited in the last 5-10 years.

Star wars was always cheezy, with poorly written dialogue, and a simplistic run of the mill disney-esque story.
Most people(with brains), liked the old movies exactly for(or despite) its cheezyness, and straight forwardness, coupled with great special effects and interesting universe.

The new movies did nothing but expand on that. The only reason people hate on them, is because they grew up with the old ones, and thus their visions of the old ones are covered in so much conformation bias, that even if Lucas made a Star Wars film with the depth of game of thrones, he'd still get a bad rep for it.


I personally prefer the style of the old ones, as I actually prefer the use of models over cg, most of the time. But let's face it, the action and suspense in the old movies isn't even close to that of the new ones.

(I did hate Jar Jar Binks though, but I hated C3PO just as much, so I didn't really get what the fuzz was all about. Besides, child Anakin was much more annoyin - or that just be me, because I hate all children ever featured in fiction)

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Ronin

@hian:
I am not too sure...

They took out all cheap and prominent effects and added nothing new. The new moves are really shallow compared to the original.

Example:
The total shots in the original, starting with the famous intro pan where extraordinary. There is probably no intro as famous as that one for a reason.

If you take that effect, make it the only way a new setting is introduced and executed each one of them in a totally constructed unimaginative way, you get a condensate of pure boredom.


If you have ideas to put on film everything will turn out ok.
If you don't have any ideas, you can hire 100.000 media artists to fill the void up funny costumes and sparkly little houses and cars and the total result will still be dull.

There is more "art" to the concept art books than to the movies.

Watching the first star wars movies was mind-blowing in experience.
It's easy to assume that people are now all jaded, but all that G. L. had to beat was himself.

I have seen many inspired movies since than tbh and only a handful with acting as bad as the new star wars.
That has less to do with nostalgia.
When I rewatch the lion king, I cringe at the singing and the characters and plot are simple and unattractive now.
When I however re-watch the original star wars, the imaginary is still stunning the cuts are crisp, you don't intuitively immediately think that Solo is a moron, you simply don't feel the impulse to constantly yawn.

@Anakin: Hated him more on the first watching of ep 1 too as I remember it.

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Avarance

The Hidden Fortress is better

And you don't need to sit through 6 movies

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Raiyne

Mm never really got into Star Wars, just like I never really got into The Lord of the Rings. Perhaps too irrelevant, to my interests.

Even if the new movies are good, which doesn't seem to be the case, judging from the response here, the old ones are indubitably classics; landmarks in sound design and highly influential in movies and popular fiction.

I am never going to rewatch The Lion King then.



AWESOME.

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hian

I would have to disagree with this.

"Adding something new" is a meaningless phrase in this context, unless you have some specified philosophy on what it means to "add to" a franchise like Star Wars.

The three new movies added in every way that counts - Namely, in terms of expanding plot, background, and upgrading the presentation. What more would people "add to it"?

This isn't Final Fantasy - It isn't about re-imagining a concept for each release - it was mainly about adding the three movies that were lacking, in an already existing universe.

I've yet to see a single good argument as to why Star Wars 1-3 fails in terms of fitting into the Star Wars tradition.

The intro shot 4(and further shots throughout 4-6), IMO, are rememberable because they are iconic(again nostalgia factor), not because they are so extraordinairy in light of composition(and the shots that are, aren't unique in this aspect compared to the new ones, as on a technical level, most of the panorama shots, and techniques where re-used).

The three newer movies are also filled with extraordinairy "movie" techniques, because large parts are made in cg, which allows for camera movement and scenes that was impossible when the original three were made. Arguments can be made both ways here.

Well, I don't see how you could interpret the new movies in that way though, since that isn't case.
The newer movies have expanded on pretty much every aspect of the Star Wars universe and presented it in an entirely new ways.

So, to claim that it's unimaginative is beyond me. Unless, you're using some extremely high standard for originality, even within series - But that would be inane, because if that were the case, every sequal/prequal in the history of man would be purely unimaginative and boring works.

Besides, as a series, again - The main purpose is for presentation of new plot, and settings - Not for a total re-construction. And given the nature of the previous plot and script, it hasn't really changed in quality either, which is why I don't take that criticism especially seriously

And my point is that, if that's what you see Star Wars 1-3 as, while somehow holding 4-6 in higher regards, that's completely biased.

I'm not saying the argument cannot be made, that SW(1-3) are shallow special effects masturbation movies -
I'm simply saying that the people who make this kind of distinction between the two different generations of Star Wars movies, are blatantly ignoring the fact, that from each respective contemporary perspective, they are more or less exactly the same in that regards.

Claiming otherwise is so obviously biased to everyone other than the ones making the claim - When people like Oister, watch all the movies in the aftermath of all the *****ing, and go "what was the problem again?", that should be utterly clear.

Sure, but so was watching the three newer ones - And even with all the elitist douchefaggery that followed their launch, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single fan who'll say they thought episode one sucked or was a disappointment after they left the theater for the first time, without lying through their teeth.

It's easy however, to go home, trip on nostalgia, get angry at Star Wars becomming more mainstream, and then hating on the new development of the franchise because it's taken your "personal love life", and made it into a public playground for the retarded masses - Than to accept that the series are more or less the same, but it's you(general you, not you ronin) who's changed, and Star Wars will never be the same, because you're not 10-20 year old science geek from the 70' anymore, but an angry and hardened, elitist SF nerd, from the trolling 21'st century.

Please, I watch the original Star Wars movies on general basis, and I cringe at the acting every 2 minutes. If you don't, I'd say that has everything to do with nostalgia.
And btw, upon re-watching after graduating junior high, I immediately thought Han Solo was a moron, the same way I immedietaly thought princess Leia was an annoying hag, and I was immediately annoyed at how Luke constantly looks like an Australian surfer dude presented with a rubix-cube(deeeerp) throughout the entire series.

The light saber battles inspire great yawns, as does several parts of the 4-5 movie, where pacing is completely rubish(like in several parts on Hoth, and tatooine).

Besides - The acting - Don't even go there.
Acting is difficult enough to judge to the point that anyone who actually makes a judgement like "the acting is really bad", in any other context than really bad B-movie, in all likelyhood doesn't know wth they're talking about.
The nuances of acting isn't so clear cut that you can make any meaningfull distinction between SW 1-3 and 4-6, any more than you can make any meaningfull distinction between two different kinds of "your average bottled water", while wearing a blindfold.

Besides, considering the extremely dubious nature of the Star Wars dialogue, I think I'd rather say that the script is awkward rather than that the acting is bad.
The acting is actually pretty good considering the extremely unnatural lines they're forced to iterate

All in all, I still think my point stands -
There is nothing notably wrong about 1-3, that cannot also be said for 4-6, and vice versa.
Therefore I don't think a "failure by comparison" judgement is warranted, and therefore is likely a feeling caused either by nostalgia-blindness or a severe case of sour grapes.

You may not agree, but there you have it

Also, don't take this post personal, I just found it to be a great source of inspiration for wenting my annoyance regarding SW elitists - You don't have to answer it, as it isn't all that directed at you

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Deimos

new ones have

1. average acting
2. plain but convoluted plot
3. heavy reliance on Special FX
4. TOO MANY stupid aliens (there were a few in the original but they were fun)


the new ones are just average sc-fi films that look awesome in the cinema (space fleet battle at the start of number 3) but thats it.

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blablabity

I honestly don't care for the movie era of Star Wars at all. It is all extremely boring compared to the much cooler Old Republic. All of the crazy sith, the Mandalore, and the rogue Jedi are much more interesting. Can't wait for The Old Republic.

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Hizumi

the old star wars movies were cheesy too. i enjoyed phantom menace, still do. a lot of these negative reviews are from pretentious cinephiles who feel they have to review the shit out of every detail in a movie

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