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Old 06-29-2011, 04:56 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Women and men think completely different. Women often tend to be far more passionate than a male. This is because of the different build up of hormones. A Penis and Vagina is not the only thing that separate us.
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Old 06-29-2011, 05:05 AM   #12 (permalink)
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This is the beauty of the internet, for me at least.

When Im online talking via text, or gaming with someone I never know if they're a guy or girl. EVER, my thing is.. I never ask.

Its not their gender, but their personality that keeps me talking.

Anyone know what Im trying to say ?
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Old 06-29-2011, 05:20 AM   #13 (permalink)
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This is the beauty of the internet, for me at least.

When Im online talking via text, or gaming with someone I never know if they're a guy or girl. EVER, my thing is.. I never ask.

Its not their gender, but their personality that keeps me talking.

Anyone know what Im trying to say ?
Thats because the internet offers the ability to be and remain anonymous. you can't really judge a person simply for the fact their actual being is a game avatar or block of text in a chat room. You will have no idea what they look like, dress like, or anything.

Though I stopped face booking people i met from games. I'd rather leave girls to the imagination..
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Old 06-29-2011, 11:21 AM   #14 (permalink)
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No...it isn't. I don't mean that man A thinks that there's nothing wrong with his friend (guy) cheating on his girlfriend while woman A thinks that its incredibly wrong.

I mean the way that men and women think are actually different as in men tend to do things purely off of memory and women lean more to how they felt at the time. I read about it.

And about the feel part women do tend to be less durable and more sensitive than men. And thats because while the men were out hunting and shit they were taking care of the children and all that.
Yea, but on the other hand, what you just said is hogwash.

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There is really 2 ways to see it:
A) Person is naturally able to produce eggs -> female (Funny exception I came upon: accident, sickness etc. still woman? Answer is again simple: Had you once the option but didn't use it, that still leaves the ability at a point thus the definite result of a yes. Imagine the woman in question already having kids for example.)
Person is able to produce sperm -> male

Concerning the question of natural conception/fertilization of the egg and the ability to go through pregnancy and give birth naturally: That's usually the case but has less to do with the definition per se.

Concerning the "problematic of cross gender acceptance":
Assumption is thus:
I am not a violent person.
I don't care for what bogus gender thing a person makes up for him, nor do I find my gender massively important in the sense of it "shaping my personality".
Result:
Concerning all those who call themselves female but can't get kids: I am not entirely certain what they want from me.
A) I don't care
I am a little puzzled/annoyed by their wanting from me to care; I am obviously not trying to form a partnership based about procreation with a person who can't.

Result: I am asked to give and I get nothing in return really, when i call a male person attempting transgender femininity a woman.

Considering redneck rage:
Well that's a psychological issue, of people finding their idea of the world difficult to combine with a present reality.
If the person in question is a man that dresses up as a female, that really leaves us to wonder what the win win would be.

If you have such a deep femininity to your personality, go ahead and accept that that doesn't change that you are a guy?
I must admit I have problems understanding the motivation, so if no one comes along and clears it up with a strong argument, I must say, I find it unnecessary and complaints about nuisances that arise from it unnecessary too.

The moral question (starting from a parallel):
Imagine I am totally falling for a girl, but she doesn't care. The result is most likely that she will avoid contact and will react negatively at any form of me coming on to here, most likely either in a freeze flight or fight kinda way. Having it this way, down the road of continuing to pursue her, I will face first verbal, than once upon a time physical violence. I suppose the correlation is somewhat between the strength of me coming on to her and her reaction to me.
Assume I meet her on the street, I am probably better of accepting my fate and walking away.

Now while I am deciding about what I should better do and if I should run after her and shout her name if I only see her from behind, I could very well imagine I would be motivated more if her *** was just a tad hotter looking in that pants.

Thing is though it is really easy to accept that it's unreasonable to demand her *** to suddenly slim down or getting a little of that extra boost, is it really as offensive as to demand that I can change her opinion towards me?

"Accept me as a human being"; What does that mean? Well, it's simple: Interact with me, talk with me, fight with me, communicate with me in any way you deem, regardless.

I know some homosexual people who wanted to be a part of my life, in a way that I was not really interested to have them take part in my affairs on any accounts. Now when I meet a person who tells me he is homosexual and means that this is a potential eventuality down the lane that I would be asked to accept him as a suitor (though not now) I can only say that I will write that down under cons to communicating with this person at all.

Is that an outrageous point of view, or ignorant, or do I discriminate against people if I do act this way?

I am better of letting her go, he is better of letting me go. Everything else leads to violence. That's why I cringe at people who say they are bisexual when the aren't (which most aren't). That's why I hate people who don't accept a no. That's why I wonder what people want with changing their gender.

There are some things that are just not true, trying to make the whole world change that is flat out an aggressive act.
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Old 06-29-2011, 04:21 PM   #15 (permalink)
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*A transexual person (once male, now female) attempts to use a women's restroom. The women complain of a feeling of 'being raped' (emotionally and mentally, not physically) by having such a person come into their restroom.
Seeing this situation, she tries the men's room. The men describe the exact same feeling, and even threaten to chase her down or beat her up if she tries to use their restroom.

This example is about homophobia, obviously, but I somewhat ponder if this could be avoided if people were raised differently to not use gender as so deeply part of who they are, that masculinity and femininity don't have to be one or the other based on your biological build.

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-What do you think of the binary system? Does it work? Is it problematic?
-Any examples, stories, or arguments to share that support your view?


*This was the introduction to the Gender Studies section of my textbook, specifically referring to a chapter about homophobia.
First of all, transsexualism and transvestitism has nothing to do with homosexuality, so it's not exactly homophobia. Just something to keep in mind.

Obviously the binary system does not work, especially so in our modern world. It is problematic because obviously people of a gender don't exist in one form. It's simply sexism; "You are a man/woman, you must act a certain way." Complete total bullshit.
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:00 PM   #16 (permalink)
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First of all, transsexualism and transvestitism has nothing to do with homosexuality, so it's not exactly homophobia. Just something to keep in mind.

Obviously the binary system does not work, especially so in our modern world. It is problematic because obviously people of a gender don't exist in one form. It's simply sexism; "You are a man/woman, you must act a certain way." Complete total bullshit.
Ah, right, not sure why I called it homophobia.
Thanks for correcting me!

Also, heterosexism is another term that can apply to this subject.
This is not heterosexual, mind you.

Heterosexual: Being sexually attracted to the opposite sex.
Heterosexim: The idea that men should only be with women and women should only be with men, that this is superior to any other sexuality.
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What people choose to do is up to them. Personally, I believe modifying your body to have the appearance of a man or a woman does not make you one because genetically you are still your original sex. It's like saying Michael Jackson is caucasian because of his skin color.

Wearing certain clothing does not make you male or female or determine your sexuality. However, that doesn't change that people will view you to be of a certain gender or sexuality based on what they see. You can be a straight guy wearing high heels or a dress but you are still a straight guy in women's clothing. Yes, some clothing is designed to be unisex, such as BDUs, but they are used in an environment where everyone is expected to be viewed the same (even though in many cases they are not but that is a different story). Outside that environment, people are considered to be individuals and treated as such by their appearance.

It's like how women complain about men viewing them as sex objects instead of a person with intelligence and then wear things known to grab attention. Generally speaking, if you don't want to be treated like a whore then don't dress like one. Men don't equate nice breasts to a high IQ.

We associate things by gender from birth and it doesn't just stop with clothing. It's why male babies are usually seen in blue and females in pink. Most of you wouldn't hesitate to identify a baby that way and you know it. It's why nowadays the rainbow has become basically the symbol for gay pride, which is why anyone found wearing one is at the very least considered to be a supporter of it, even if they are not and just think they are pretty.

I think people are just afraid of losing the definition of what a man and a woman really is.
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Women and men think completely different.
No science proves this, nor are you in a position to make such a statement. I know it is your opinion, and that is perfectly fine, but that doesn't make it an absolute truth.
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I've been taking a philosophy college class which concentrates on issues concerning race, class, gender, and sexuality, and we're currently on the gender and sexuality part of the course.

Our instructor has brought up a lot of ideas about how most or many societies in the world (example USA) have a binary system when it comes to gender and sexuality.

The system, pretty obvious, is the idea that there's only male/masculine, female/feminine, and heterosexuality, and anyone who doesn't fit those ideas is known as a "gender traitor."

Gender traitors are ... let's say 'very greatly disliked' by people who are too devoted to the binary system.

One theory is about how people identify a part of themselves greatly on their gender. A man is masculine, for example, the opposite and most definitely NOT a woman, feminine.
It's and idea that man =/= woman in any way, and that it is in fact insulting to call a man a woman or girl, even more to call them gay or something along those lines.
The idea of not fitting into this is to oppose what someone identifies themselves as, what society wants them to be, what they SHOULD be.

One of the problematic examples that were brought up (this coming from my textbook):

*A transexual person (once male, now female) attempts to use a women's restroom. The women complain of a feeling of 'being raped' (emotionally and mentally, not physically) by having such a person come into their restroom.
Seeing this situation, she tries the men's room. The men describe the exact same feeling, and even threaten to chase her down or beat her up if she tries to use their restroom.

This example is about homophobia, obviously, but I somewhat ponder if this could be avoided if people were raised differently to not use gender as so deeply part of who they are, that masculinity and femininity don't have to be one or the other based on your biological build.

!!! Discussion time starts here !!!

-What do you think of the binary system? Does it work? Is it problematic?
-Any examples, stories, or arguments to share that support your view?


*This was the introduction to the Gender Studies section of my textbook, specifically referring to a chapter about homophobia.
it took hundreds of years for the race problem to significantly improve when it arose. Dont expect this to be solved next month. I doubt it will take hundreds of years becuase of our time period, but itll take a decent amount of time.

be who you want. I dont give a shit. I, however, like feminine girls. I wont bash a manly women though, id chill with them. I just wouldnt date them, just doesnt float my boat.

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