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Acreon

I feel for you Ronin, having to try and talk sense to people.
I really do =|||

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xBlazex

there tons more crime over then american buddy. i guess you like your leader tell you what to do all your life right? or just american who hate USA country because you think soo terreble go live in Pakistan and come back me then. i get tried american help other country i wish just stop let them died off even if they lay hand on american land they will not live. american wont give up like other country do. most american will fight there rights to be free even if you guys dont like it.


american learn from are past we move on. if you dont learn what happien in your past. mostly like war keep going on forever

Ronin

Yes of course. If you compare the occupation of Chechnia, or Tibet to the occupation of the Iraq and Afgahnistan, what do you say? That it's preferable to live in the Iraq now?
It's all five the same thing essentially; Police states are in place upheld largely by a foreign military presence who takes over policing duties with horrible results. Tibet stands out because they actively try to resettle people, but that's about it.

Great huh?

Well China might put dissidents in house-arrests; They torture them and they lock them up and they also sentence people to death and they have issues with police brutality and they have problems with arbitrariness of police acts and arrests.
Well that sounds similar to the US, if you subtract house-arrests,
You can however add: National and international covert kidnapping. Locking people up in illegal and secret detention and torture facilities and declaring civilians from all over the world as military combatants in a blanket sentence, including their own, who might be killed at any time in "acts of war" as well as sentenced to sentences according to a military justification code based on and inspired by the Geneva convention, by utilizing information gained through torture, which again is of course sanctioned by the Geneva convention. In short it runs mock trials, that have no ethical basis, but the political motivation behind achieving convictions, no matter of whom and no matter what for.

Now, who is doing better?

Yes, the Us is an example of freedom and it's citizens are bloody heros.

No, living in the US I would not feel save, to do and say as I please. With awe and disbelieve however I feel inclined to just blankly stare at people in shock when they come to me and tell me that the US represents some grander principal that in itself is worth to look up too. That the government is able to insure that a nations people will engorge some form of beneficiary ideal system and finally, that this whole establishment is justly inspiring pride in them for being a part of it.

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kain222

Are you ****ing kidding me?

I'm sorry, but I never even used the fact that it was an 'american' protest in my arguement. I never even spoke the word 'american' in any of my posts, nor did I even judge any basis of my arguement on the fact that it was American.

More to the point: I judged it on the basis that these are people, not americans, people, starting an unpermitted protest, complaining about 'police brutality' when that so called 'brutality' is, when compared with other results of unpermitted protests, not quite brutal at all.

What Blaze did is bring a pointless, unrelated issue of patriotism and nationality into an arguement that previously did not have it, and made the assumption that I belived that all americans are idiots (where I said nothing as such) and then based his entire response on that despite the fact that it wasn't even what I was arguing.

It would've made just as much sense for him to say that if I was arguing the logistics of space-time waffles being at sub-zero temperatures and if they were co-incident with the killing spree of a rabbit monk from eastern europe.

I don't even have to say how mind-numbingly unrelated and stupid of a response something like that is.

You're just being stupidly patriotic now, America is not some kind of superhero of the modern world and never will be, no matter how much indoctrination you've been exposed to. You're being assumptious, generalising and frankly the integrity of your arguement has just crashed in a horrible pile of scrap somewhere, and I don't think it's coming back.

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