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xBlazex

WTF all this cops should get fired and lose there cop jobs for life then they would realise this poeple protest because american job been take away. yes most american want factory work back

Hizumi

**** cops can charge for assault or resisting arrest for anything. shit sucks.

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Ronin

Well, I doubt the expertise in this case.

Legally no grounds for arrest? A policeman has the authority warranted to him to direct people away from an area, on no grounds for no reason. If those people do not follow up, that is grounds for arrest, if other options are not more likely to result in resolving the situation.

That means that in a riot situation and officer of the law can more or less arrest anyone who just as much as pushes against the cordon or stays close to it for a short period of time, because it is assumable that the person knows that he has noting to look for there and there is no way for the police to effectively debrief and send away 100s of people.

Thus; If you turn up at any form of protest rally, be prepared to be arrested.
If you can, keep the effing distance from any police. If you can't, get out of there.

That is what I learned in basic ground and riot control training.
I do not account for it being exactly the same in the US. However, from a practical standpoint, there really is not much space in how you can deal with demonstrations. It's either being effective and quick, or you might rather leave the troops at home, before they become a target and also a threat to civilians, if they find themselves cornered.

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Ronin

The point of the constitutional right to protest is not to ensure the possibility of riots. "I am protesting by smashing this shop window in and stealing stuff"
"I am protesting by throwing stones at this car" "I am protesting by beating some fellow protesters up" "I am protesting by calling them policeman pigs"

That has nothing to do with protesting.
This is why any demo needs to be announced to the authorities beforehand and the authorities need to allow it.

So what to do about it and how to protest?

If there is a want to avoid trouble with the police, people getting hurt, etc. there is a need for organisation of the protest, which means that every single protester needs to be filled in prior to the demo about the risk, the situation, the march routes and all other details.
Now this absolutely is difficult to do. If it relies on you as an individual to get the prep-work done, look if there is at least a publicly known plan of the whole event that also states how to deal with the authorities.
On the other side, the organisation staff needs to be able to estimate and appropriately counter the risks of radicalization and instrumentation through splinter groups (people should know who will turn up at the event and where and when. That's essential.)

If this works out, you will see the demo itself not having any physical police contact and you will also avoid the police naturally being forced to act through it.
The police will never look for that sort of contact. They will however also not give up the integrity of the cordon at ANY cost. (A policeman getting separated from the cordon results from many broken bones to many people dead in the usual case. In the US the anti Vietnam demos have ended in generating quite a history of this, though they where largely controlled by the aid of the national guard, which in those case showed that their competency is questionable and calling them in is a bad option.)

If you go to some "no agenda" flashmob type demo where people just randomly show up, expect that people will get hurt. It's how such things go down.

This kind of thing has no potential for a peaceful protest whatsoever and is bound to escalate.

Now in this very case, guess what:
The protest was not actually granted a permit.

Really, taking part in a demo without permit should be a clear danger sign. Also it's a failure of the police not to break it up before it started, however, that probably has some political background.

Considering that the demo was illegal, I am to say, it went down extremely quietly.

Now do I shift blame from the policeman to the protester too much? Plausibly, a point to critique the police is that they acted in an unorganized slow and inefficient manner and that they should have made a more structured effort to prevent the demo taking up size and escalating beyond their capabilities. Random police man fencing off parts of the demo in a loose cordon with no commanding officer in sight? Moving the cordon in an unorganized manner? Commanding officers walking from place to place?
They would definitely have to react better in a real demo. However, that's the whole point of demos who go this way not being safe.

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darkness35

This is what was coming into my mind. To have a "peaceful demonstration" the agency or group of people need to have some form of a permit in order to protest

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xBlazex

permit never work in the past and cops still did same shit. they over react when somone up top tell them to stop no matter what. that when you can tell the head office going to lose his job soon

Ronin

Pulling arrests at a demonstration?

Yes that usually happens.

Do not walk up to the cordon, do not break of from the march path, do not destroy property and you won't end up in a cell.
People who do that suff, well, they shouldn't.

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kain222

Whilst Ronin can be too much of a realist at some points, IMO, I'm going to have to go with him on this one.

This is not peaceful protesting, this is disorganized and dangerous. They have the right to make these protests without organization, of course: But no-one should be suprised that people are getting arrested and I'm not sure why people are.

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xBlazex

non destory nothing there just walking with sign. only people who did all the abuse was the Police.