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bonneau_14

Download some file from the internet and alter it with the assistance (understatement) of a program... Listen to the song being played, and create your own rendition of the song using instruments from within the physical world...

Crawling leads to walking, walking leads to running. Does the way you have been makin 'a da muzac give you limitless room to grow and prosper?

Can you make a song that doesn't require an internet connection to create? Something that doesn't use anyone else's previously recorded audio tracks/pieces? Could you keep everything in key? Keep the timing tight? If you want to copy/emulate a song, but in your own style/sound, could you do it without ripping off the original audio clip? If so, I'll shut up and walk away. Until then, I'll "try again".

Some people just don't understand what I'm trying to say or are taking things to far in a literal sense. Ronin and Rayne for example.

Do they download the mp3 owned and created by the previous artist? Do they use that exact audio track in there cover? Traditionally no.

I've seen like riffs and licks that are the very same, but used in 10 different songs. I've seen arrangements that borrow sections from other arrangements. I've seen chord progression and strumming patterns thousands of times, from thousands of different sources. That doesn't matter, that's just the way it is.

People use their knowledge and countless hours of practice to do a cover of a song. They use their ears, and translate what they hear into a cover of the song, usually with their own flavour. If they want to keep the same rhythm, they don't reuse the old audio track of the original guitarist playing, they record their own guitarist playing their take on the song.

Hizumi

Lol if you would've read hians posts, his music is essentially a cover, everything except the last sons. He didn't slide any MP3 within the DAW then edit it. He used his ear and recreated it. It does take timing which is why there's a metronome in the DAW lmfao.
It's safe to say that hian has prior music knowledge and his ear is pretty developed.Transcribing sounds easy when you're listening to a song without the instrument in hand but as soon as you pick it up even someone with 3 decades worth of practice has to sit down for days to transcribe a song. And it is not just something you can just learn in a few months or weeks It seems your elitism is very misplaced. Music is changing dude if things were kept traditional no one would have any music patches with your mentality. No audio interface tones, no Guitar Rig 4, no Amplitube, no nothing since it requires me to have an internet connection to get these tones that maybe 1000's of other people are using. May as well delete it since I'm not a real musician who edits things with a program.

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bonneau_14

So he plays a virtual piano.

This should mean you can play a real piano?

If this program didn't play instrument sounds, would you have anything to work with?

Did you record anything from the physical world or was everything done virtually?

(I love when people pick a sentence out of a whole paragraph and base their argument entirely on that one sentence, even though its dependent on the paragraph. Its fking hilarious)

Hizumi

Depends, you're being vague, yes if you have prior knowledge, no if you're just winging it with the Piano Roll.

Yes, it's called a VST and plenty of real musicians use them.

The result is subjunctive, you can tell if someone has music aptitude or not. There is a correlation though, if you've played an instrument before moving to what you call "virtual" than the musicianship shows greatly. I do not know one person or artist who uses "virtual" things to make music who has never touched a real instrument prior. That just makes it hard for no reason, you still have to know scales and chords, (that final fantasy one obviously plays through a scale). Trent Reznor is very overrated but he is the best example to counter your argument. He's a masterclock with intruments but has a boner for synthesizers and he does write movie scores dude.

I based my argument off of everything I disagreed with because I agreed with you on everything else. And what paragraph? Your shit is all over the place and isn't specified very well even you connect sentences together.

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Raiyne

You know, technology has made it such that the barrier to entry has been reduced such that tech-savvy people are able to make semi-realistic sounding music without even touching a keyboard. (Piano rolls, wavetable synths etc)

It's still a skill, to be able to learn software and use it as a sequencer. You may not be performing it in real time, but you're still composing, the process has just become dramatically easier for the non-musician.

Aside from the rap and some minor stuff, it seems that hian has sequenced all of the music himself, so I don't see what your point is, really.

You know what you can do with a piano roll, a couple of synthesizers, and a DAW? Make a song sound entirely different.

Ultimately, it's that music production in itself is a skill. Decisions regarding the timbre of each instrument, the tempo of the remix, the orchestration of the new instruments, be they real or virtual, they all require skill and a sense of aesthetics, for a person to create something that is deemed 'pleasant', or 'good'.

You don't have to touch a single keyboard to make electronic music, or sequenced 'real' music anymore. So, as to your question:

Sure it does, the sky is the limit, with technology. Sure, a keyboard to input notes would certainly be faster than clicking with your mouse, but it still isn't necessary.

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