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Originally Posted by gratscorpio
Yup civil wars are always so much more fun if it is not your country having them no thanks things are tense enough in the political social realm lets not light a match and throw it at the powder keg ok.
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Everyone walking around with a gun doesn't calm things down. If there is a civil war, which won't happen, then everyone has a gun. If there's one here, it would be less tragic.
It's not gonna happen. If it does, I will give you part of my ridiculous fortune. I'm not kidding. If it does, I will find out your details from you and give you enough money to buy War Machine armour!
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Originally Posted by gratscorpio
Again can't really use the stats from a country who population is alot less than ous that smaller populatuon would be and is alot easier to police and control especially sense everyhting you get is basically imports and can be easily managed to reduce the amount of illegal imports try doing that for a country the size of america lol ya not gonan happen.
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Yes you can.
Gun crime is less here because guns aren't legal. I'm not sure where the hang-up is.
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united states 307,875,000 4.53% wp
united kingdom 61,634,599 0.91% wp
so first we would have to de arm 307 million people for the gun ban laws to be truly effective (won't happen of course) then we would have to properly police and strictly control a land mass easily 10 fold the size of the united kingdom not counting alaska and hawaii, as you can see pie in the sky ideals are just that pie in the sky ideals.
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Yes, so you properly police it. I'm not saying everyone's gonna give up guns, I'm saying less guns = less gun crime.
That's the point of police, that's why there isn't anarchy. Why am I explaining this to you, sir? It's not pie in the sky, it's "Live in a place where guns aren't legal and you'll see.".
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and on top of that you guys have had how many years of these gun ban laws and they were more than likly implemented when the average citizen was to poor to even see a gun let alone own a gun, so you got in befor the de arm the population thing would effect you.
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Yes, we didn't have short-sighted people writing a constitution, true. That just means that is was a bad call. It doesn't make it right.
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Originally Posted by gratscorpio
ill admit you have a lower gun crime rate but then look at countries like south africa that have legislation outlawing gun and columbia ya guess what not legal to own a gun in columbie or most middle eastern countries as well.
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You admit we have lower gun crime rate.
What's the problem then? The reason for that is that guns are illegal here.
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and there gun crime rates are off the chart because they have had a voilent hisory yes but at the same time gun had all ready worked their way to far into those societies that even with legislation it would be impossible to remove all guns.(sam for america alot of people dont want to believe it but we have had and will more than likely have a violent past and future it will be our own downfall honestly)
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Violent society can cause higher crime rate even if certain weapons are banned. Britain is an extremely high rated violence country, but we have less gun crime. That's all I'm saying.
Ours is knife crime, but that's impossible to stop because you can buy knives for anything. For dinner, even.
Less of something means...less of something.
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all im saying is there are much worse countries where gun violence is alot worse and out of control, and most if not all countries that have legislation banning or making the aquirance of firearms hard have a relativly high fire arm crime rate for their populations.
scorpio
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That's due to poor policing though, especially in South America.
Still, your opinion is your own on how to tackle gun crime in the States. You can't deny that less guns means less gun crime and you haven't, so we can agree to disagree on the rest, sir.