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Old 12-19-2006, 12:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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haha, PS3 Will crush the Xbox 360 and Wii, also nothing lives up to there hype...,come on Xbox 360 sure didnt, and i personaly think the Wii is going to die like Sega Cd

I wouldn't say that at this point, although the PS3 is immensely popular in Japan, a lot of the US seems to be upset with it due to lack of good/impressive games, but this is normal early in a console's launch. I wouldn't expect an outcome quite like what happened with the PS2- there were still some major differences in the last "console war"- specifically, the Xbox literally came out with no games that anyone cared about except Halo and maybe Fable, so it suffered very poor sales as a result.

The 360, however, is expanding its' gaming library, though the forte and general library concentration still seems to be based entirely on the shooting genre (Gears, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, Halo 3...), they are expanding somewhat by having taken Grand Theft Auto IV from the PS3- which was a major selling point for many gamers- also, of course, a lot of big titles that
were initially announced as being PS3-only are going over to the 360, like Assassin's creed... and though this effect is also vice-versa (Lost Planet was announced for the PS3, as well as Enchanted Arms) the advantage the 360 has here, is that [in fair model comparison] it's $100 less in price than a PS3- and for even $200 less, gamers can still play [initially] the same game.

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Old 12-19-2006, 04:43 PM   #22 (permalink)
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This is false information without a basis or source.
The truth is, Resistance, a launch title for the PS3, is already taking up more space than a DVD could have held under any circumstances, quoted from CEO of Insomniac games, Ted Price, in an interview:
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The final game has been revealed to be just over 16 GB. It was originally going to be 22 GB, but Insomniac cut out the PAL movies because NTSC movies can be "converted on the fly to look really good on PAL TVs". Ted Price also confirmed that there was a strong push to reduce disc size in order to shorten burn times during the testing period.[4]
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GP: Speaking of giant generational leaps, does Resistance really use 22GB on a Blu-ray disc?

Price: No, it doesn't. We actually cut back to 16GB. We have a lot of data to create those levels, those assets are so much more complex than anything we've been able to build in the past. All those assets take up space. You've got a lot more maps per character, characters that use significantly more polygons than previous characters. Ratchet had 20-30 animations per character and in Resistance we have 300-400 animations for some of our characters.
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Media type: high density optical disc
Capacity: 15 GB or 30 GB
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Seems like that could hold resistance perfectly. =/

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Only a fool or Microsoft fanboy would say that BluRay is completely unecessary in the ten coming years. What you said yourself is absolutely ridiculous- if game developers weren't willing to spend the time to use that space up on BluRay, they would also not be willing to spend the time to create beautiful games like Gears of War and Final Fantasy XIII, because it would just be a waste of time and money; a needless risk to lose a lot of it. They'd stay on the safe side, and pump out mediocre titles.

The truth is, game developers with the ability will use the hardware given to them to its' full potential, which is what they already intend to do, as you can see from many, many interviews. There are clear advantages to having BluRay as a more capable data storage medium.
Read my post again. Never said that it wouldn't be needed in 10 years. It's just not crucial that we use it just to make pretty games now. It's not your fault though, I never clarified what I meant.
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Old 12-20-2006, 02:21 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Yeah, but the Xbox can only play HD-DVD movies, not HD-DVD games, so you wouldn't be able to fit Resistance on a disc regardless.
That's my gripe with them- it can only play standard DVDs as games.

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Old 12-20-2006, 03:17 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Yeah, but the Xbox can only play HD-DVD movies, not HD-DVD games, so you wouldn't be able to fit Resistance on a disc regardless.
That's my gripe with them- it can only play standard DVDs as games.
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The japenese market matters more than the american market....
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The japenese market matters more than the american market....
Not really. It may be a large percentage of it, but America alone sells more products then any other. (for consoles that is)
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Old 12-20-2006, 05:38 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Honestly, what matters is console sales.
Japan, in terms of population, is very tiny, in relativity to North America, and as a result, for Sony to show successful sales figures, they'll have to sell a lot of PS3s in NA.
But, Europe is really the biggest market. o_o;

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Honestly, what matters is console sales.
Japan, in terms of population, is very tiny, in relativity to North America, and as a result, for Sony to show successful sales figures, they'll have to sell a lot of PS3s in NA.
But, Europe is really the biggest market. o_o;
Console sales does not matter for the ps3. Sony rather sell more games then the actual Ps3 console . Sony loses over 100 dollars(probably more) off each ps3 they sell...,, but then again the more ps3s that sell means more people are gonna want games so they buy more games. My 2 cents.
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Console sales does not matter for the ps3. Sony rather sell more games then the actual Ps3 console . Sony loses over 100 dollars(probably more) off each ps3 they sell...,, but then again the more ps3s that sell means more people are gonna want games so they buy more games. My 2 cents.
This is absolutely flawed, flawed, flawed, flawed logic.
In order for third-party developers to put out more games for the PS3, console sales must be high. Recently, PS3 sales hit the 1mil mark, (www.vgcharts.org, much more reliable than nextgenwars)- but, the point is this: if there are only 1,000,000 consoles out, and a game developer puts out a game that cost $10,000,000 to make (most games in this gen will cost roughly this, usually more, especially for major projects), the odds are the game will sell somewhere between 50,000 to 150,000 copies. At 150,000 copies, there is only $9,000,000 of profit made from that game.

What does this mean? The game was put out on shelves, sold, and the company that made it lost $1,000,000. Games are supposed to be pure profit, so this is absolutely unacceptable for the devs, and they will develop for another console. Of course, PS3 isn't in danger of this right now, because the consoles are flying off shelves- the problem is, they take much longer to manufacture, and as a result they cannot be sold as fast as the Nintendo Wii, due to the lack of supply. This is very likely the reason most major PS3 releases have been delayed 'till late January~February in the US... game makers want big launch-day sales numbers.

I don't remember what else I was going to write, because I got interrupted irl ; so... uh... yeah.
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