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Thetake · 03-16-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Negrac

so is lieing, am i going to hell? again i say saved once saved always

he was raised christian, meaning that he was saved, and no matter if he was atheist later in life. heven is where he is... i dont think hes the most populer tho

Sorry for being the third one to quote this again but it seys in revilation chapter 22

Vs. 15 – Here are some who will not enter the city:

Dogs - Unclean ones & rebellers against God. Ps. 22

Sorcerers - Those who deal in witchcraft, fortune telling, Spiritism, etc.

Whoremongers - Those guilty of sexual sins so prevalent in our day.

Idolaters - Those who worship anything or anyone other than the real God, Jesus Christ.

Liars – Both white and black lies.

Murderers

Slade · 03-16-2007, 10:10 PM

Whoremongers is in the bible? Hahaha, whoever wrote that has got a dirty mind.

availer · 03-16-2007, 11:04 PM

Do you know what annoys me? This whole thought that the jews were the only victims of genocide. Genocide happened to anyone who didnt work well, Hitler didnt want any weak people in his country so he pretty much wiped them out, too bad alot of them were Jews, this led to the conclusion the hitler actually just killed Jews.. when he obviously didnt from countless death reports. Anyhow, there is no recognition of the current death camps in siberia, where millions of muslims were killed and slaughtered. Or death camps in eastern europe where countless minorities are persecuted. This way the Jews are in the lime light for 10 centuries while countless billions die without recognition, 1.7 million civilians died in the Iraq war, I dont see any americans or british people crying. As an english person myself im quite embarrased by the lack of knowledge of what is truly happening, only remembarance of the holocaust, even so, remembering the chosen people. The chosen ones. Its a sorry sight.

ziron · 03-16-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramstien

I'm not denying he was a brilliant man, just... in the wrong direction. He rebuilt a dieing Germany and reunited all the German speakers.

If he didn't blame all Germany's problems on the Jews, but on communists or something, i think he would be regarded better.

Well then ww2 would have been agianst russia!

Deimos · 03-16-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by misterx

I dont know where you get this from, maybe youre right, but most of the people who right books about the holocaust are survivers writing theyre stories heck even if they are doing it for the cash i think they have pretty much earned the right to make a few bucks off of a living hell that ruined alot of peoples lives. I am trying to stay objective, but considering the fact that 6million of my people were murdered with no reason, thats kinda hard.

yeah you are right. Almost all of the oral testimony is from holocaust survivors or their relatives, they arent doing it for the cash I know. I was just commenting on some of the Jewish writers and historians who say that some people are milking the holocaust for every penny. There are also some 'self-hating' Jewish historians who claim that alot of the holocaust is exaggerated to make everyone else feel worse. I can only guess but that must be a devastating insult for any survivor to hear.

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Originally Posted by misterx

Anyways i dont hate the german people, hell my uncle married a german women and I love them both alot, but its hard to say the german people in hitler's time werent stupid, I mean they followed an insane man to war and supported his "crusade","Purge" or whatever the hell it was against handicapped people, black people, Gypsies and Jews.
Alothough the people who supported Hitler were less then 40% the fact that the other 60% didnt do a thing makes me mad.

yeah you are partly right. It can seem that way but you have to remember that Hitler's first victims were the German people. Germans were the first to be murdered. Also the nazi party only won the election by a tiny majority and that was at the height of their terror campaign. Even after the election there was resistance to the party from the leftwing and the German communists. Yeah there were alot of people who supported the nazis otherwise the party never would have succeeded but there were also many passive resisters. People who didnt actively take part but were to scared to resort to any political or militant action.

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Originally Posted by misterx

I usually dont like discussing the holocaust with people because it always leads to dead ends but the fact that some idiot says that Hitler is going to heaven, although I dont believe in heaven, the fact that someone who does says that Hitler is going to heaven just pisses me off.

I have to agree with you 100% there.

Manic · 03-17-2007, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by K-Rizzle

In what ways? "How does one take away their own life that was GIVEN TO THEM"? Murdering themselves? Breaks the Ten Commandments hands down - There's no scenario where suicide is permissable. Ever.

I totally agree, but there's always that one possible situation where you're justified in taking your own life in order to honor God, as sort of a sacrificial sentiment. No situations come to mind, but it's undoubtedly possible that it could happen somewhere, somehow.

Oisterboy · 03-17-2007, 12:35 PM

The man was one of the smartest men I can think of in history. It takes a whole lot to confuse that many people, and get them all excited, and wipe out an entire race...I mean, I hate him, but I can appreciate what he did, in context.

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availer Bladin's Sword Sharpener Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,181 Reputation: 13	Do you know what annoys me? This whole thought that the jews were the only victims of genocide. Genocide happened to anyone who didnt work well, Hitler didnt want any weak people in his country so he pretty much wiped them out, too bad alot of them were Jews, this led to the conclusion the hitler actually just killed Jews.. when he obviously didnt from countless death reports. Anyhow, there is no recognition of the current death camps in siberia, where millions of muslims were killed and slaughtered. Or death camps in eastern europe where countless minorities are persecuted. This way the Jews are in the lime light for 10 centuries while countless billions die without recognition, 1.7 million civilians died in the Iraq war, I dont see any americans or british people crying. As an english person myself im quite embarrased by the lack of knowledge of what is truly happening, only remembarance of the holocaust, even so, remembering the chosen people. The chosen ones. Its a sorry sight. __________________ EAG - Brand New Online Gaming Community -

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Oisterboy \| (• ◡•)\| (❍ᴥ❍ʋ) Join Date: May 2006 Location: Just Past Jupiter Posts: 16,564 Reputation: 644	The man was one of the smartest men I can think of in history. It takes a whole lot to confuse that many people, and get them all excited, and wipe out an entire race...I mean, I hate him, but I can appreciate what he did, in context. __________________

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03-16-2007, 10:10 PM	#52 (permalink)
Slade Eriond's Egotist Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,733 Reputation: 17	Whoremongers is in the bible? Hahaha, whoever wrote that has got a dirty mind.