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Negrac

Well we are learning about hitler, and i thought to myself... this guys insane... and he was, he thought he was doing the right thing killing all thouse jews... as a Christian, saved once, saved forever... so after killing all thouse jews, he killed himself, rather than being taken by the Allied powers. He went to heven... some people would find that hard to belive, flaw but ...

1: he fought for what he belived in
2: he not only thought he was doing the right thign he KNEW he was doing the right thing


what makes that any diffrent from us, really(not talking about the US, talking about people in general) we fight for what we belive in, and we know its right... so is really the fact that he comited Genoside, in our eyes look so inhumaine, and discusting. but in his eyes he saw hope. So why do we veiw him as evil... when its why we got to war... cause we fight for what belive in...

he was alot better at it... and he got what he wanted...


yes this is a touching subject for most... so if your going to flame me, do it in red letters so i can no not to read it ...

Again, What makes it diffrent?hiter's reason and war today?

Ramstien

I'm not denying he was a brilliant man, just... in the wrong direction. He rebuilt a dieing Germany and reunited all the German speakers.

If he didn't blame all Germany's problems on the Jews, but on communists or something, i think he would be regarded better.

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Fieren

But that does not make it right. He issued the massacre of countless people, and without any real justification too. After he took power, he basically pointed and said "Look at those Jews. You guys don't have food on your table at dinner because of those God damned Jews." My theory is that it was a ploy for whatever he lost his sanity to.

He may have fought for what he believed in. But it was wrong.
Who's feeding you this bullshit? What hope? What does the mass extermination of a race and engulfing the world in war bring? Give one country food on their table and power while the other's rot?

You've been known to start topics that you cant win, this is just another one of them.

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Negrac

lol, cause you guys just dont like me, but i am fine with that

never said it was right... just said that he saw hope for a country he was raised to thing was the best.

Urahara

I think Hitler change the history very much. If not for Hitler, other country that is greedy for land will still continue to take over lands.

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hian

It is true in one way. There really is no such thing as an "evil" person, unless you think about people doing small meaningless mean things for own personal satisfaction whilst knowing that it is bad.
Any person who does something considered "evil" on a large scale does not view himself/herself or his/her actions as evil. They believe them to be right. Carrying through with unarguably terrible acts of cruelty for absolutely no reason or to please onself is something that is pretty much impossible for a person that is not suffering from some kind of psycological disfunction.
It is only through logically determining what is "good" and what is "wrong"(through concepts such as logical self-interest and psychology), and determining whether or not the person in question was also aware of this(I.E was he/she sane or insane) that we can determine if a person is "bad" or not.

However, whether Hitler truly believed that destroying the jews was a good thing, or if he was just following some person agenda, or economical agenda for that matter, is probably impossible to find out. He didn't actual have to be mad to do such a thing, as he was not the one actually doing the killing, and so would have an easier time ordering people to do it for him. I mean, it's like playing Risk, C&C, Total War ETC, you just tell people were to go and what to do. So Im not so sure as to whether or not I woul call him mad or just detached from his own actions.

However, Hitler buildt his country on the expence of human rights and other factors which would most likely have backfired in the end as there is no country/empire/state that supresses it's people to such a degree in the history of mankind that has lasted. They all end eventually. Humans face with to many restrictions will at one time or another riot.

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Deimos

What? No not really. Gustav Stresemann rebuilt Germany and dragged it out of the depths of depression. Hitler was not a brilliant man. He was a poor organiser, poorly motivated, knew nothing about economics or social policy. He was one of the worst military commanders the world has ever seen and was completely self delusional.

He had but one talent: a good orator. He could talk at great length about anything in such a way as to make people believe it really was him who was carrying Germany alone.

The truth about Hitler is that he got everyone else to do his work for him and now in hindsight people mistakenly give Hitler the credit. Nazi Germany was most definately not a well oiled and functioning society. It was organised chaos. Hitler rarely got out of bed before 12noon each day and payed little notice to any of his ministers or advisers outside of his own private circle.

History remembers the victors and the 'Great Statesmen'. The simple fact is that most people will just read one article or watch one television program about Hitler or nazi Germany and then base their entire opinion on that to the exclusion of all else.


Nazi Germany ended because they were runners up in 1945. Soviet Russia ended because its economy collapsed. Rioting usually happens after a state has crumbled, its not usually the cause of it.

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Negrac

No, he did some things right Military wise... Russia is what did him in, if he didnt attack russia when he did, we would be speaking german right now. thats the scary part

Sparta

Uhh, heaven? killing yourself is a sin.

Deimos

Hitler did nothing right military wise. The first and foremost problem was the fact that Hitler was head of state, head of the infantry divisions and head of his own party. That led to several bizarre situations in which he was his own superior; basically that meant he was reporting to himself.

As well as this Hitler had no real grasp of military tactics. He was lucky to have several talented generals under his command who pulled off most of the major feats we see during the war. Whilst his commanders were off fighting hard Hitler would sit in fron of maps, move around little flags and say useless things such as "push here" or "attack more here". He was an idiot.

The reason Russia "did him in" was down to several factors. One of the bigest was Hitler's own incompetence. The man was his own worst enemy. Initially the invasion went well, but once it turned pear shaped Hitler refused to take the advice of his generals. He removed those who questioned him and replaced them as he saw fit. There were so many changes in command during the russian campaign that orders and directives got confused. The classic and much known example of Hitlers military prowess is the battle of stalingrad. Because Hitler failed to take the situation seriously the entire German 3rd army was annihilated. By this time Hitler's self delusion had got quite bad. He was still insisting that Russia was a rotten crumbling building that would collapse as soon as we "break down the door".

As the Soviet army began advancing Hitler would scream at his generals in meetings and tell them to counterattack. When asked what forces should be used he'd tell his generals to send in units that didn't even exist. They only existed in his mind. After the destruction of the 3rd army Hitler was already planning out a replacement army despite the fact that Germany had neither the manpower or the material to undertake such a project. The man was living in a fantasy land of make believe. He did nothing right military wise because he knew nothing about running a war. During the battle of stalingrad on one of the insane attacks, ordered by the fuhrer himself of course, one of his generals said that the attack could not take place since he did not have the required number of troops. Hitler ordered all tank crews of the 3rd army armored divisions to leave their vehicles and fight on foot to make up the extra numbers. It was a massacre. Many of those men had been fighting since the start of the war and were veterans of many battles. Hitler squandered their lives without a single thought.

Hitler was a fool and a self delusional madman. The first victims of Hitler's nazi regime were the German people themselves.

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