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Mr. First Name Basis

No shit, I wasn't denying the existance or actions of wind but I was comparing it to God. Wind is defined as the movement of blah blah blah yet you don't know it's there. You know something is pushing the air yet your not sure what is there. You give it a name as I give the creator a name - God. (Ok well it's not a name but that's apart of having only one god).

@ Lothia it's cool. I hope you really do understand my point.

Once again, I'm not denying the existance or actions of wind. Rather, wind was used as an example to compare my point to.

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Arcteryx

Except it's a bad anaolgy. We know what causes wind. Even if we called it something totally different, we still know it's properties and how it works. So we know it's there. There's no way to know that there's a god or gods, but we know there is wind. And regardless, argument from anaolgy is usually a pretty poor way to argue. If you're going to argue, use evidence.

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Deimos

that last bit, yeah i get you, its just an example. but its a poor one because it doesnt make sense.

we do know wind is there because we know about air currents.

we do know what is causing it, changes in temperature.

there is no unknown value so i dont get what you are trying to say.

it sounds to me like this "we dont know what really causes wind so we may as well not call it wind and just call it God or finkleroy since we have no clue as to its cause and wind is just a name"

besides, even things we dont understand... is it really a good idea to just say "God did it"? isnt that inviting ignorance?

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Civil

You can't live without air.

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Mr. First Name Basis

Ok. I admit it was a bad example and I thought I had stated that previously but this is the best I could find. I earlier stated that all forms of energy are invisible yet we know they exist but seeing as wind was my detailed example, others started to argue it and it developed into something completely different than what I was trying to say.

Now I figure it's too late to reclaim any points I was trying to validate as now it seems that i've been individually jumped by three or four people who largely question my reasoning and beliefs. Sure it was a bad example; and there were probably thousands of others that I could have explored; and it was my fault for choosing wind as I was trying to benefit the less educationally advanced forum viewers.

To the Mod: your right, analogies are a bad way to explain things but other way is there to explain beliefs? Especially,without the use of body language, how else was I to go upon explaining my beliefs without the use of a linear example? Of course there's no evidence, besides what you see in the bible. Other than the bible you have to go on your own beliefs in your heart. Don't go on what your brain says because your mind may change, but your heart will stay the same. Other than that, I'd like to explain my point of view one last time. After this, I'd like all responses to this post to be sent to me via PM for as Deimos has suggested, "I'm ruining my social credibility". Also, the whole wind discussion came up as I suggested to lothia that you couldn't see wind, rather you could only see the objects it carries. Then it escalated into something totally different than what is being discussed now. Actually I haven't even got clue if this discussion makes sense.

When the wind blows, what causes it? Sure you may say that air moving from high to low pressure may cause it, but can you really be certain that's what causes it? What if there was an outside, indirect source which caused wind itself, which in turn, also caused the air to move to a higher pressured area? The two come in a pair, like hydrogen is diatomic (there's never just H rather always H2). Instead of actually finding a source, two paired events were labeled as a cause and effect.

Ok well that has nothing to do with my argument rather it's a subarticle to what I was trying to say. Actually does a bit of disproving to what my original point was.

Well you can't see, smell, hear, taste or feel wind. You can feel the movement of air particles but wind itself is a force. You can see the effect wind has on other objects so your inferring it's there. You have no proof it's there, but you know something is there.

That can be directly compared to God.

You can't see, smell, hear, taste, or feel God, but you can see the effect he has on other objects and people. You see a man in a devastating accident, yet he is saved or you see someone do something physically impossible in a great act of strength or rotation (most common examples), you know something had to help it. You don't know what did it, but you know something's there. Just as those who knew wind was there and named it 'wind' I named my unknown source 'God'. (Ok well I didn't name it but you know what I mean.)

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BooNeZ

I feel smart right now lol.

*ahem ahem*

Yeah I believe in him lol. If you got nothing and no one to help you on some situation, go pray for God. At least, something may bound to come up.

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Dead Eyes

i believe in a god.
I think christianity is bullshit aswell as almost every other religion apart from rastafari.. take judaism.. you cant do anything on a saturday, just because somebody thought he read something in the scriptures about it, its just a piece of paper...
And with the bible.. If I started worshipping harry potter, I think people would think I was strange. Whats different about the bible from that.
i like rastafari because you have to smoke pot, grow dreadlocks and listen to reggae how can it be bad..

and to all of the replies saying god doesnt exist. You only need to believe in a god for it to be real, That belief has helped many people, and it will keep on doing so as long as they believe in him. The religious praying/reading/generally wasting your time just pisses me off no end.

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