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Firstly I am NOT a emo,goth,gangster or any-other social groups I'm just a 14 year old boy who hangs out with a group of 3 other people. I made this post to see if other people have the same thoughts on the subject personally in the last couple of weeks from watching the news and learning thing from histroy, such has slavary,ww1/2 and other world changing events I do knw that these people only make up a part of the world, but lately it seems they have started to out number the respectable people in the world I've started to lose faith in humanity. First I'll start with the universal declaration of human rights many things in the declaration are being broken, I can understand human natural and the reason why some of these things are being broken but things such as torture and taking the life of another human being unless for self defence is sick and twisted. second people wage wars over the stupidest of things for an example land, which can be talked over i have to say the dumbest of people are in control of the world at this moment. They act like children waging war over land i can understand why they wage war but I personally think that if you have to have a war and kill many of the kind and brave people of your country for a couple miles or yards or whatever of land your kind of perfetic if you want the land so bad risk your own life for it not others. anyway that's what i think of it what are you guys thoughts?
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Firstly I am NOT a emo,goth,gangster or any-other social groups I'm just a 14 year old boy who hangs out with a group of 3 other people. I made this post to see if other people have the same thoughts on the subject personally in the last couple of weeks from watching the news and learning thing from histroy, such has slavary,ww1/2 and other world changing events I do knw that these people only make up a part of the world, but lately it seems they have started to out number the respectable people in the world I've started to lose faith in humanity. First I'll start with the universal declaration of human rights many things in the declaration are being broken, I can understand human natural and the reason why some of these things are being broken but things such as torture and taking the life of another human being unless for self defence is sick and twisted. second people wage wars over the stupidest of things for an example land, which can be talked over i have to say the dumbest of people are in control of the world at this moment. They act like children waging war over land i can understand why they wage war but I personally think that if you have to have a war and kill many of the kind and brave people of your country for a couple miles or yards or whatever of land your kind of perfetic if you want the land so bad risk your own life for it not others. anyway that's what i think of it what are you guys thoughts?

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That's the nature of realpolitik (cynical neo-imperialism). If you want to make a difference, learn all you can about what's going on, read books and listen to and read the news. That way you can make informed decisions about what's going on, especially when you're old enough to vote. Speak out, and tell others to do the same. Maybe get involved witha political party or candidate. I firmly believe that the number one reason why the world is the way it is is because most of the world's population is ignorant of what's actually going on.

Personally speaking, I don't like most people, and tend to be shy and standoffish. I'm not really comfortable around people I don't already know really well, and I get paranoid in crowds. I have a hard time trusting anyone. This has nothing to do with the world issues you were talking about, though, and more to do with my school experience.
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That's the nature of realpolitik (cynical neo-imperialism). If you want to make a difference, learn all you can about what's going on, read books and listen to and read the news. That way you can make informed decisions about what's going on, especially when you're old enough to vote. I firmly believe that the number one reason why the world is the way it is is because most of the world's population is ignorant of what's actually going on.

Personally speaking, I don't like most people, and tend to be shy and standoffish. I'm not really comfortable around people I don't already know really well, and I get paranoid in crowds. I have a hard time trusting anyone. This has nothing to do with the world issues you were talking about, though, and more to do with my school experience.

The question is, would you rather everyone thought one their own and each had an equal stake and government? Remember: Greed is the humans greatest weakness.
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Land is a stupid thing to fight over? Would we be here if we didn't have land? How many civilizations would have survived if they didn't have good land suitable for farming? Nobody fights over a few yards of land. The least might be a few miles, and usually there's an important natural resource in that patch of land. If there isn't, then it's stupid.

Usually when people fight, it's because they want something. If a leader of a land (let's take our president) wanted to invade another country to seize more land, Mr. Bush could not simply dispatch troops because he wanted to. Most of the people dying in the war over at Iraq, for an example, are doing so because they believe that they are fighting for the good of the United States. If we were to have a dictator, however... it would be different. Or communism.

Lastly... nobody is going to take someone's life (except in extreme, EXTREME cases), or "torture" someone, in self defense.

If you're saying that the world could be a better place, however, I would have to agree with you. Are we going to ever achieve a Utopian society, however? No. Very unlikely.
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Property is theft, possession is murder, and owning is a crime. Personally, I believe land is for everyone, and no one person owns it. Its impossible to own a plot of land, so theres no need to wage war over something. I don't support boarders or boundaries, and I don't support rules and regulations. Am I being a stereotypical teen? Yes. Am I doing it better than any other teen? Absolutely. I UNDERSTAND the things I support, unlike most others.

Oh, and, in a capitalist society, everyone is looking out for number one. Number one being the almighty dollar- which is sad in its self.


Complaining will do nothing by the way, but, you asked.
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tip : use spaces when you post, i hate reading a paragraph of 9 sentences
so i didnt read it at all
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Firstly I am NOT a emo,goth,gangster or any-other social groups I'm just a 14 year old boy who hangs out with a group of 3 other people. I made this post to see if other people have the same thoughts on the subject personally in the last couple of weeks from watching the news and learning thing from histroy, such has slavary,ww1/2 and other world changing events I do knw that these people only make up a part of the world, but lately it seems they have started to out number the respectable people in the world I've started to lose faith in humanity. First I'll start with the universal declaration of human rights many things in the declaration are being broken, I can understand human natural and the reason why some of these things are being broken but things such as torture and taking the life of another human being unless for self defence is sick and twisted. second people wage wars over the stupidest of things for an example land, which can be talked over i have to say the dumbest of people are in control of the world at this moment. They act like children waging war over land i can understand why they wage war but I personally think that if you have to have a war and kill many of the kind and brave people of your country for a couple miles or yards or whatever of land your kind of perfetic if you want the land so bad risk your own life for it not others. anyway that's what i think of it what are you guys thoughts?
first off... please please use paragraphs for all our sanity

secondly: war, fighting over land, money, religion, race and all that.... its been going on since the dawn of mankind.

war has been happening ever since Og picked up a rock and smashed Zug's head to splinters of bloody bone in order to steal his woman.

look carefully at history. there are always people trying to tell you that society is on the brink of collapse, that our souls are going to be taken and that it was way better "back then".

yes, bad things do happen. horrible, terrible things which you sometimes think "jesus, how can humans do that to each other?". but that isnt the be all and end all.

there is no universal decline in humanity because the bad deeds arent the only deeds being committed. lots of people will tell you that their way of life is better or that their beliefs or set of values is the best way for everyone to get along. are they right? who knows. nobody truly knows.

yeah you are right, war does often seem pointless when you look at it from far off.

but remember, when looking at the past we have a brilliant tool. hindsight.

we have the knowledge from past mistakes and the ability to look at something from a completely different perspective that the people of the time didnt have.

I dont think humanity is rotting slowly from the inside. i certainly havent lost faith in humanity. deep down i think that most people are just that. people. decent people whose primary cares are for themselves and their families and their friends. theyll give up their seat on the bus, theyll give you the time of day, theyll hand in your jacket at the bar if you forget and leave it in your seat, theyll give you directions if you are lost... i think the worst thing that someone can do is to believe in all this gloomy prophecising of the decline of humanity. that makes you bitter and introverted.

that being said ive never had to live through any kind of truamatic event or tragedy, so i guess you could say that i havent experienced the truly bad side of things.

i dont think humanity is bad, i still have faith in people.

id be more worried by the people who dsperately want you to believe otherwise. whats their agenda? why are they so bitter? why do they want you to become and think like them?

thats what i was thinking after i read your post.

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Communism fails just as much as Capitalism. Government is one of those things that you can't live with and can't live without.(If you want a progressive society.)

Property is recognized and as much as we want to be a magician and make things that hurt disappear off the face of the Earth, the only thing you can really do is avoid it or try your hardest to make some things change. Just don't feel too bad when you fail at something like preaching for a world without property.

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Communism fails just as much as Capitalism. Government is one of those things that you can't live with and can't live without.(If you want a progressive society.)
I never said Communism worked, in fact it doesn't work at all.
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