gobsied

1.
Your qoute bolded out part of the qoute says

- "World of Warcraft is fundamentally an extremely good and exceptionally well-designed game".

- You say From a "professional/educated" standpoint WoW better designed and more solid than FFXI.

okay obviously your half design degree didn't do much for you in the way of english. The work you quoted from never said WoW is better designed and more solid than FFXI. Read carefully mr half design degree man.

"Nike is an exceptionally designed show" does not mean "Nike is designed better and is more solid than Timberlands"


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You admitted WoW has a crappy endgame, I wouldn't agree with that entirely. but you said getting to the cap is 1000s times more fun.

-By that we can assume that FFXI has a more solid endgame.
-I can go further to say FFXI has more content getting to end game than WoW does.

PVP aside. What aspects of WoW are more solid than FFXI really. Educate me, that's what people with degrees should do. There really is no redemtion for you after you said WoW has a really crappy endgame and grinding there is more 1000s times more fun.

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To quote you:
"No where did i say which grind is harder and for which game, or which one is more engaging or not. Grind in itself is an action/verb, it is mindless in nature. People often confuse killing a mob with Grind. Like you. Grind is never hard. A mobs difficulty has nothing to do with the act of grinding for levels. Gee, its not that hard to comprehend."

Your swaying back and forth more than Prez Bush because you have no basis for your argument. I am sorry but this is the dumbest and most contradictory thing I have ever quoted. Which is strange because I have quoted myself saying some really dumb things.

-Grind is never hard ~ FFXI is not very kind to the mindless button mashing mob rusher. If your party is stupid your grind will ALWAYS be hard.

-Grinding is mindless in nature ~ FFXI broke the mindless grinding, either that or FFXI has NO grind, which is hard to imagine because you say. "Every game has grind to an extent."

- A mobs difficulty has nothing to do with the act of grinding for levels. ~ Aparently the only exception is FFXI, Because your party has to adjust to each other and every mob type. If you have mixed mobs, you'd pull one kind depending on where u are in the chain. Depending on what the status of the mages mp and tanks health are. You'd have to adjust your fighting technique and sometimes skillchain by each mob. In FFXI the mobs difficult has EVERYTHING to do with the act of grinding for levels.

Everything u state are baseless 'in the air' claims, backed by a document which doesn't provide a reasonable foundation for your argument, and your tendency to call people idiots because your half design degree gives you the ability to understand so much more than you apparently can explain.

FireStar

WoW, haven't play FFXI(Doesn't mean i'm not an experienced gamer)

ButPirate

Typical day in FFXI.

Join game in town......spam general chat for 2 hours lfp. *Crickets*
Realize two hours have passed and you are still running circles in town, logoff and proceed to strangle your retarded friend who told you to get the game. FFXI is not a solo game. I dont care what the tard was saying about the beastmaster class, its still not solo friendly, and besides you cant just grab the game and go play a beastmaster. On top of things, once you can actually fight the combat is equivalent to a sloth on valium.

Typical day in WoW.

Level a character BY YOURSELF either doing minimal grind or by yourself. Notice there are tons of people doing instance quests for gear. Decide if you wanna level or get gear. Bored of that, go do some pvp battlegrounds, not your cup of tea? Go work on some manufacturing skills. Bored of that? GO make a night elf female and dance naked for some gold.


On top of that....WoW IS a much more polished game. In no way am i saying FFXI is not polished, the finished product is just not what WoW is. And you anti-wow tards can argue all you want but the numbers dont lie, WoW is thriving, FFXI is effectively dead.

WoW = 2.5 years
FFXI = 4 weeks (i tried giving it a shot, just not worth it)

I play neither now btw. WoW is not without flaws, the endgame is a huge time sink only really friendly to those willing to devote massive amounts of time to the game and the PVP is far from perfect, but its still the BEST all around MMO out right now hands down

GOD HAS SPOKEN......Argument over

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Burningthought

Okay, the whole tried and failed at a few concepts is utter bull.

CoP - This was the only failure.. and even then it's still awesome because only people who really put time and effort can complete the expansion. It failed because people want to use the new armor and whatnot they earned to help people out. Creating level limited areas kills that. That's the only concept that truly failed and even the development team admits it.

Besieged - This is a minor failure only due to the technical limitations of the ps2. Xbox 360 and PC suck when it comes to besieged however the PS2 can run it fine. If they would drop the ps2 format and work harder on Xbox 360 and PC optimizations I think besieged would be more fun and balanced. Releasing the 32fps cap and the 56kb/s cap would also be awesome if done right.

Button Mashing - Don't get me wrong I love this game.. but FFXI is just as bad with this as WoW if not worse.

Grind - FFXI is a grind, it gets easier 55+, but then you hit 75 and it gets worse.

Mob Difficulty - I wish they gave us more xp for the harder mobs. As of right now you get more xp chaining VT mobs quickly then you do killing IT++ every 2-3 minutes.

Nashkel

OMG i laughed so hard, i fell of my chair. The PvP in WoW is just horrible ! Who ever has the best gear and the more hitpoints at the beginning of the fight wins. You wan't REAL Pvp, go play Dark Age of Camelot ! Now THAT'S pvp !

BTW I play WoW on a regular basis, and I raid with my guild in SSC and TK, so I think i know a fair amount of the game.

Never tried FFXI, but would really like to. Downloading the SWG Trial (again) to give it another shot !

refraxion

Once again this is your personal opinion and no, people actually DO answer your questions in game, I don't know what you're talking about, unless you sound like a whiny brat in game, others will reply in the same fashion.

Party based leveling is not for everyone, some people like to solo, and that's why Blizzard also included group quests for the people who actually want to party, not saying that you cant party to finish quests that are solo-able, but Blizzard made the game relatively solo-able for anyone who likes to play the game alone.

Granted, there are some idiots in the game, but which MMORPG doesn't? Those are usually ignored, when you ask a question generally there will be help. Giving stuff if you are a beginner? WoW doesn't work like that unless it's just simple things like food/water, the items come fairly easily and they scale pretty well per level, you do not need any "blue" or "epic" items to level your class to 70.

Weakness to a certain job/weapon ... that's basically Class countering in WoW. All that block,evade,counter,parry is all included in WoW, I don't know what you're talking about. By 2x attack I'm guessing you mean hitting someone two times in a row, that is called Windfury or you use swords for an extra attack. If not, then youe 2x must mean critical hit, yes any class can have crit, Spell crit or Melee Crit. Only thing I see that you listed that WoW doesnt have is Weather / Current day affecting damage.

FFXI has the classy factor while WoW has the cool cartoony look, it never strived to look classy, it stayed true to its lore.

Chocobo raising? I guess that's just personal preference. The cool looking mounts you get in WoW makes up for it then. Ground Mounts / Epic Ground Mounts/ Flyers / Epic Flyers. I have all the epic flyers in game and the Netherdrake still gets a ton of attention.

WoW is a fairly easy -- game wise. But when it comes to raids, it IS all about teamwork, you won't survive without it. But other than that, the game is easily approachable, and it's not confusing, I see that as the downfall of FFXI, and that's why you see more players playing WoW than FFXI, easier to approach.

It's also not just standing there and watching what your guy does... unless you're a hunter, lol. Grind quests.. you can usually skip those because of the abundance of quests WoW offers.

And you asked someone for money, that does not go well on WoW, if you asked for 4k on WoW, you'd be laughed at, lots of people dont even have that money, they need 5k for an epic flyer training, and another 200 for the flyer itself.

Just my 2 cents, not a flame hope I didn't make any mistakes, still kind of early and I'm tired heh.

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ReconPeon

the pvp in WoW only sucks if u suck...
its not entirely skill based considering i can kill a rouge with full merciless gladiators and i only have like 1 piece of the gladiators set on my war.

and by the way all of you are dumb with the exeption of a couple people who actually know how to put a sentence together.

neither game is better. its all opinion. it just depends on what you like.

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elazulblack

Why would you substitute yourself for God?

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Mxerdude

WoW < FFXI.Because i havent played FFXI and i played WoW til 70

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elazulblack

You mean "WoW>FFXI", right? Cause you're like contradicting yourself with that statement. :\

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