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Originally Posted by ReconPeon

the pvp in WoW only sucks if u suck...
its not entirely skill based considering i can kill a rouge with full merciless gladiators and i only have like 1 piece of the gladiators set on my war.

and by the way all of you are dumb with the exeption of a couple people who actually know how to put a sentence together.

neither game is better. its all opinion. it just depends on what you like.

Originally Posted by ButPirate

Typical day in FFXI.

Join game in town......spam general chat for 2 hours lfp. *Crickets*
Realize two hours have passed and you are still running circles in town, logoff and proceed to strangle your retarded friend who told you to get the game. FFXI is not a solo game. I dont care what the tard was saying about the beastmaster class, its still not solo friendly, and besides you cant just grab the game and go play a beastmaster. On top of things, once you can actually fight the combat is equivalent to a sloth on valium.

Typical day in WoW.

Level a character BY YOURSELF either doing minimal grind or by yourself. Notice there are tons of people doing instance quests for gear. Decide if you wanna level or get gear. Bored of that, go do some pvp battlegrounds, not your cup of tea? Go work on some manufacturing skills. Bored of that? GO make a night elf female and dance naked for some gold.


On top of that....WoW IS a much more polished game. In no way am i saying FFXI is not polished, the finished product is just not what WoW is. And you anti-wow tards can argue all you want but the numbers dont lie, WoW is thriving, FFXI is effectively dead.

WoW = 2.5 years
FFXI = 4 weeks (i tried giving it a shot, just not worth it)

I play neither now btw. WoW is not without flaws, the endgame is a huge time sink only really friendly to those willing to devote massive amounts of time to the game and the PVP is far from perfect, but its still the BEST all around MMO out right now hands down

GOD HAS SPOKEN......Argument over

Originally Posted by refraxion

Once again this is your personal opinion and no, people actually DO answer your questions in game, I don't know what you're talking about, unless you sound like a whiny brat in game, others will reply in the same fashion.

Party based leveling is not for everyone, some people like to solo, and that's why Blizzard also included group quests for the people who actually want to party, not saying that you cant party to finish quests that are solo-able, but Blizzard made the game relatively solo-able for anyone who likes to play the game alone.

Granted, there are some idiots in the game, but which MMORPG doesn't? Those are usually ignored, when you ask a question generally there will be help. Giving stuff if you are a beginner? WoW doesn't work like that unless it's just simple things like food/water, the items come fairly easily and they scale pretty well per level, you do not need any "blue" or "epic" items to level your class to 70.

Weakness to a certain job/weapon ... that's basically Class countering in WoW. All that block,evade,counter,parry is all included in WoW, I don't know what you're talking about. By 2x attack I'm guessing you mean hitting someone two times in a row, that is called Windfury or you use swords for an extra attack. If not, then youe 2x must mean critical hit, yes any class can have crit, Spell crit or Melee Crit. Only thing I see that you listed that WoW doesnt have is Weather / Current day affecting damage.

FFXI has the classy factor while WoW has the cool cartoony look, it never strived to look classy, it stayed true to its lore.

Chocobo raising? I guess that's just personal preference. The cool looking mounts you get in WoW makes up for it then. Ground Mounts / Epic Ground Mounts/ Flyers / Epic Flyers. I have all the epic flyers in game and the Netherdrake still gets a ton of attention.

WoW is a fairly easy -- game wise. But when it comes to raids, it IS all about teamwork, you won't survive without it. But other than that, the game is easily approachable, and it's not confusing, I see that as the downfall of FFXI, and that's why you see more players playing WoW than FFXI, easier to approach.

It's also not just standing there and watching what your guy does... unless you're a hunter, lol. Grind quests.. you can usually skip those because of the abundance of quests WoW offers.

And you asked someone for money, that does not go well on WoW, if you asked for 4k on WoW, you'd be laughed at, lots of people dont even have that money, they need 5k for an epic flyer training, and another 200 for the flyer itself.

Just my 2 cents, not a flame hope I didn't make any mistakes, still kind of early and I'm tired heh.

Originally Posted by gobsied

No Another FFXI noob has spoken.
I have never spent more than half hour looking for a party.

Cap in BST takes a couple weeks. It is very solo friend. Not as much as WoW. Every aspect of WoW is just easier. FFXI BST takes alot more skill than solo in WoW.

FFXI is definately not dead. Their subscribers are still massive. FFXI now has more Towns and cities which means the people per unit area is reduced. People don't crowd Jueno because there are several new areas. Also more people log on and know where they want to go so the chill time in cities has definately decreased. FFXI still has one of the highest subscriber rates whether u like it or not.

FFXI is more polished than WoW. There is far more content, the systems are more refined and tweaked. It's multiplatform. Plays like a console-computer mmorpg hybrid.

Oh and for your whole testdrive and car analogy. I gave WoW all the time to figure out the ins and outs of this "car" bc i actually enjoyed it and found it worth my money. Thinking about the fact that I wasted money on FFXI makes me cry.

And in ffxi notice there are tons of people doing instance quests for gear. Decide if you wanna level or get gear. Bored of that, go do some pvp battlegrounds, not your cup of tea? Go work on some crafting skills. Bored of that? GO make a elvaan female and dance naked for some gold.

You see "tard" FFXI has all the afore mentioned features and more than WoW does. You played FFXI for 4 weeks and you barely tipped the ice berg. Anyone who quits ffxi because they end up taking 2 hours to get a party is a ffxi noob who never got anywhere.

Only Noobs, and newbs spend 2 hours getting a party, I'm sorry.

My point is that You got into wow test drove the car checked out all the features while u looked at FFXI from a distance fumbled on the manual transmition and because you weren't skilled enough to get anywhere you flame it. FFXI is most definately harder to get into, most definately. You gave up before you could.

I played both for about 1 year and a half. Both are fun great games. But FFXI has more content, is more challenging, and when you know what your doing is more fun and a more memorable experience than WoW.

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@ Recon

It's obvious that The question "Which game is better" merits an answer which would be an opinion.

Your the only dumb one for thinking that needs to be stated.

Originally Posted by ButPirate

Please explain to me the exact skill involved in obtaining a party in FFXI. I guess i dont know the ins and outs on how to spam lvl XX [char type] lf leveling party and am an insane noob. I mean i guess i have no skills bc i just dont seem to know how to make people who are non existant go "OMG INVITE HIM". Your logic is certainly laughable.

Originally Posted by Burningthought

If you found FFXI hard then the FFXI community doesn't want you. Sorry the learning curve is too steep for you. Go back to ur WoWz where everything is handed to you. I'll be in Einherjar where everything is backasswards trying to figure out how to clear the zone.

Originally Posted by refraxion

Did you not read what I said? When did I say the learning curve is too steep?