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i just wanted a key to test my computer if i can support it at full graphism... if i cant i will not buy it... so please if anybody have a key let me have it. thanks and good luck

Lydeck

What a stupid ****ing comment. "AOC is being marketed to kids."

You're as bad as those ****tards at Fox News, who always say the same shit about games THAT ARE RATED MATURE.

It's such a ****ing stupid comment. You CAN'T EVEN BUY THE GAME unless you're 17+. Then, it falls on the parents to actually have common sense and not buy younger kids this game. It says 17+ for a reason. Why the hell would they market to an audience that can't even buy the game?

Take your bias, and stupid comments out of here.

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And I too would appreciate a guest key. I need to know if the game will work on my computer.

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Stanleyxd

It was already stated long time ago that the leveling speed would be WoW-like

Getting to lv 80 take about 10 days in game played time...

And no i dont realize this is a game-design problem, sorry.

Mad_Hatter

I completely agree and find that anyone who says that games like AoC are for kids, are highly ignorant and blind. So us adults aren't allowed enjoy games like God of War, Gears of War, Killzone 2, etc? These are games that still attract older and mature players, it's just that irresponsible parents let their kids play these games. Then of course the kids feel that since they're playing an M rated game, they're allowed to act like complete pricks because it's "adult."

Also you have to realize that a large majority of good games are coming out M rated and it's inevitable that it will attract others who aren't 17+. If it really bothers you so much to have share a game with an immature crowd, then do what I do and turn off the global chats and join a good guild. It's really not that difficult to find a guild with an older playerbase in popular games.

Sabertooth77

There is a system to block under 17 from buying the M game. As I said the data speaks for itself , so does the boards. Parents cant be every where and cant enforce M rating.

The video rating boards - http://www.esrb.org/index-js.jsp - is policed by the video game developers , further more they have only only attacked 2 games or attempted to enforce a fine (breakable of contract) on 3 games.

GTA was the last one , it leveled a fine , which was later secretly reduced by ERC.

Also retialers have stop enforcing the "no sale policy for M games" it only enforces no sale of AO , (adult only titles) , which no retailer will carry and the rating has never been given to a US , only imports.

Further more , Red Light , Feel 3 , and many other sex/adult titles are being granted M status. They also are being shown to be explored by younger than 17 age group.

Next Funcom , Fileplanet , Tenton hammer , and retail giant Amazon.com has refused , blocked and fought every nanny site / parent for putting Age of Conan on the block list.

In contrast , Gravity's Requiem , and a game called Prey have added their titles to a block list on major nanny sites.

Age of Conan continues to make thier accessable to children , and Funcom has issued no policy to retailers , (like UBI does for Tom Clancy) , about revoking thier right to sale the product if sold to children.

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The problem is Mad_Hatter , Funcom staff is dealing with outburst in a unproductive way. The teens ~ young adults , arent the best at understanding, reading or reacting to change , fine print , or double talk. They make it a point to be very heavy handed , like telling one person the other day "Post in this thread , only this thread" then handing out a 3 day temp ban.
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Lydeck you gonna be native to think that retailers are going to enforce the M rating. You also need to know there is no legal entity in US , or Euro which can block sales , or imports even on ban games.

Uk has the best and most brutal system but almost no enforcement.

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Maizen

Anyone know how well AoC does with XP?

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Lydeck

Native? I'm going to be Native?

Sorry, I'm not Native American.

But, I'm not sure where you live, but where I live (In West Virginia, give me a break, if this place gets it right I guarantee everywhere else does) they ask you for ID when buying M games.

You're assuming that simply because local shops break the rules that everyone does. In the larger cities, I'd say that they do enforce the said laws. Obviously, if you look like you're 40, they won't most likely, but I'm 17, and I've always been asked for ID, and I don't look young, or old.

And sorry for the flaming earlier. I had just gotten done watching that Fox News thing on Mass Effect, and it had annoyed me, lol.

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Also, it shouldn't be up to the developer to police it's game. It's not there to babysit people and watch like a hawk who's playing. It should have it's age restrictions and what-not, but it's up to the PARENTS to control what their kid plays. There's NO excuse for anyone under 15 to be playing this game. (Once you're 15, you're in high school and should be mature enough for blood and tits. It pisses me off every time somebody blames the developer, and cries foul to the govt. LET PARENTS BE ****ING PARENTS. Video games aren't babysitting tools, but they're being used like ones because parents don't want to be parents at times, and it's wrong to blame the developers in that situation.

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Vesper

Video-game developers police the ESRB? You spout bullshit. ESRB pressured Rockstar to either remove the kill scenes in Manhunt 2 or censor them or else they would've given the game an Adult rating which would've cut their sales down and honestly; even with the gory scenes it wasn't even qualified to be Adult.

So stop with your "ESRB is the little man being bossed around!", no, it's the other way around. ESRB make the calls and if developers don't follow their standards, they are not allowed to retail their games in stores such as Circuit City or Best Buy.

Try again please.

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Sabertooth77

ESRB is controlled by this entity http://www.theesa.com/ , they have a majority control over ratings and own most of the staff. This entity is the retailer http://www.entmerch.org/ has minor control , they flex the muscle of the almightly dollar , the current major voice is Wal-Mart.

Rockstar was fined over publicly over GTA hidden cut scenes , ESA blocked enforcement and heard the appeal , the fine was reduced , but never made public. The only reason why Rockstar was fined was because of Wal Mart, which flexed its muscle , and scared the lesser members (include K-Mart , and Target).

Circuit City, Best Buy, Wal- Mart , Gamestop , Fantasy Games , among others have no policy or enforcement policy for games. There is no punishment , especially with low end wage slaves often being 16 to 18 , in a dead end job , they dont care about the age.

Wal-Mart , among other didnt carry M titles , movies , or other adult products til 2005 /2006 when the CEO , was caught for embezzment and a new younger CEO took over , revamped their policy on a money issue. (I was in the Call center when the change happened.) This CEO help usher in big Chinese products , M games , adult books , and many other products the Waltons opposed but didnt have the votes to stop.

This had a ripple effect , across the retailers , where M became common , and ratings by ESRB were relaxed. Go read the 2003/2004 document published on the subject especially how they beat up Ncsoft and CoH over art choices.

Now Teen is easier to hit and M sales to minors.

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Lydeck I ve lived in Arkansas , MO , New Mexico , Texas , New York , Korea , and Kansas for years. I watch not only marketing development for my investment team , but I also read every scrap of MMORPG mrketing results.

There is no policy , no legal grounds and much like CCOA , the foxes are watching the chickens. There is ample proof that M titles , currently the hottest thing out , are selling to minors.

In countries where M are banned , there is no legal or retailer policy to enforce the rating. Those rating dont matter , because of the lack of enforcement and punishment.

Furthermore , only one company has a loose policy on ID , its based on a employees , and as I said most employees are under 18 , thus dont care about the enforcement.

Its different with other adult products , like smokes , adult books (kept behind the counter) , and beer.

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Parents cant be every where , the average parent works 2 jobs , and often both parents work. The M games are harmful product , marketed at children , nobody is asking for the governement to be the adult , but the letting the game developers police themselves , and retailer not taking responsibility for a dangerous product then they need to lay down the law.

Video games are changing , at 12 , 13 , 14 , 15 and 16 , kids arent mature enough to make decisions and cant be influenced easily by crap. You can block movies , tv channels , internet , but nothing stops or allows a parent to decide if a minor is going to buy a slasher flick like game.

Movies are the same way , but..

Lydeck

Dude, quit making shit up. The average parent DOES NOT work 2 jobs. Did you know that 80% of percentages and facts are made up? Good, sense the irony.

Mature rated games ARE NOT harmful to kids over 13. Give me a ****ing break man, do you really think our youth is that ****ing stupid? I take that as in insult, actually. Anyone who can't tell VIDEO (aka, PIXELS ON A SCREEN) from reality has major problems, and their parents should be watching them closer. I mean hell, look at movies like Saw and Hostel. So I guess kids that see that are going to go and capture people, and torture them to death? No. Movies are MORE impressionable than games, because it's done by REAL people, in psuedo-REAL situations.

Agian, you make excuses "parents can't be everywhere. Do you honestly thiink a 13-16 year old kid can drive? No. How the hell are they going to get the game? By A) asking mommy or daddy to drive them there, or B ) ordering it offline, OR C) walk there. Either way, the PARENTS should be PARENTS and say no in problems A & B, and in C the retailer would not sell the game, because of it's restrictions. I don't care what you say, you're spouting lies when you say every store disregards the system. It's a flat out lie and you know it.

That's a HORRIBLE argument that's parents are unable to police them. Yeah, they can't control it when their kids buy it, but they sure can ***** about it afterwards, huh?

Are you sure you don't work for Fox News?

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