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asdf55

And yet you negate what parents and caregivers are supposed to do. You act as if the parents are non-existent. Fact is, it's up to the parents, caregivers, mentors, teachers etc. to teach kids what right and wrong is.

When a person cannot tell the difference between the fictitious and reality, then the person has not been brought up properly or has some other difficulty.

If kids have M games there can only be two culprits, the parents/caregivers who allow or are ignorant of what their child(ren) does and retailers who do not uphold the ratings. Blaming the market for children simply existing near adult activity is just idiotic. If parents do what they're supposed to, children wouldn't be overexposed to such material. A child can buy an M game perhaps, but if a parent is actually watching their kids, they wouldn't get away with playing the game for long.

BanMido

seems like you want this to turn into a "fahrenheit 451" problem.....

you start to censor things little by little until there is nothing left......

well if you learn one thing studying history it is that even if you prohibit something by law people will still find ways of getting it......take the banning of alcohol, they smuggled it in.


well like it's been said many times before it's the parent's duty to know what their children are doing......if you bring a child into this world you are responsible for him.....

now sure you can't know exactly what your child is doing at all times down to the littlest detail, but you can teach your child enough to know good from bad......

my step father teaches his daughters very well.....one is 10 the other is 13 and he has let them watch R rated movies with sexual scenes, violence, and profanity in them.....

the reason he is ok with them watching movies like that together with him is becuase he has taught his kids from day 1 what is good morals and judgement....

you should be attacking the source of the problem instead of a video game, if a parent hasn't taught their kid that beating up whores and shooting police officers isn't right, then they have some serious parenting problems.....

I played mortal kombat as a kid before they had a ESRB rating system.....I turned out ok......you know why?....because my parents taught me how to respect others, what is a good judge of morality and how to fit into society...

my parents divorced when I was three and I was thrown around between both which each had various other relationships over and over, some abusive,
my father worked 2 jobs with only enough time inbetween to sleep and eat....

my parents have both been married 3 times on each side, you would think that could cause a child problems.....but I turned out ok......

you know why?......because even with all those problems, my parents still cared enough about me to teach me a proper behavior.....



so I believe children misbehaving should be because they have mental issues, or their parents haven't taught them correctly.....I don;t care how hard it is raising a child you made the choice when you brought him into this world so you better take damn responsibility.......

I wish parents new that today, becuase it seems children have no respect for them or the law anymore......

....it sure has changed alot.....

Sabertooth77

BanMido everything censored anyhow , radio tv , etc etc. There is a different before censored and keeping it out of the hands of kids. Thing of it like a gun , you put behind the counter check ID , and enforce the laws that make it crime for employee or buyer to buy the item without the check.

You can open the market up , have anything you want , but retailers need to protect minors. Especially now adays when the games are bluring so many lines.

Mortal Kombat had cartoon graphics by today's standards , now you got pretty realistic graphics and topics which make impressible minds , want to reenact them.

asdf55
Its a different world , teachers , and people in places to guide dont guide anymore. Parents cant fight peer pressure , and they cant fight a retail giant who puts up 3 foot tall posters of half named girl and Age of Conan on it.

Parents can only apply so much pressure these days , they fight the internet , the web blogs , the movie , tv and stuff.

Just look at that new show , which air a sex clip on FX , even with V chip and that channel blocked , you could access the Ad through the media , teen sites and even Disney radio.

How as a parent do you safe guard the kid when everyone is putting up Ad or materials you find objectable.

asdf55

Then I can only hope that you don't ever have children as it is obvious you are pathetically ill equipped to handle future generations.

"Oh the media has so much influence these days! I'll just abandon any sort of attempt at teaching children morals and leave it to the media!"

Seriously, a good parent will know what their kid has been playing.

BanMido

the game stores have already enforced the laws......

there are already laws enforced for many things....but laws can be broken.....

you fail to acknowledge that while a person is still under the age of 18 the caretaker of that child is responsible for his/her actions......

even with all those laws people still break them and find loops holes......

your going to have to live with the thought that some people will get away with things.....but atleast not everyone does.....

there is no way to make sure everyone is obeying the law.....the only way to lessen it is for parents to teach the new generation how to properly fit into society, becuase they will be the next ones running it....

humans haven't changed in their behavior for thousands of years.......they are just held together in a society which enforces a standard of what they think is proper behavior.....

maybe if you had a lifetime of experience you would understand that the media controls you like a puppet making you think everything is doom and gloom.....humans are not becoming more violent, it's just the amount of information spread by the media makes it seem so...when actually in older days news didn't spread as far.....


and I will say it again....if you decide to bring a child into this world it is your responsibility to take care of that child...no excuses are accepted....

Espio0

ffs i don't even care if there are 8 year olds playing AoC, as long as they don't act like huge douches, i don't care. hell i might even enjoy playing with them because they might be more mature then most of the people playing AoC, they even might be the ones that are helping me out instead of me helping them.

i am 16, i have a freaking job, so why wouldnt they sell me a copy? i am old enough to decide for all of that, besides i am the one paying for this game so my parents arent complaining (like they even care what i play, because they know i can handle it, because they know i am an adult).

i grew up with voilent games, when GTA 1 came out i was like 8 years or older or younger, me and my brother played it alot, our parents knew that we could handle it.

it's all about having trust in your children that they can handle it, the media is too aggresive against video games these days...

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lumyn

I'm kind of upset with the community's snobbery and pride about aoc's niche marketing. It's not being MARKETED towards kids, it's being MARKETED towards adults with high end computers. That's their intended market. Whether kids gets their grubby little hands on it is irrelevant. That said it doesn't change the attitude I've received from aoc bloggers and commentators, which IS kind of immature. They sometimes say rude things like I don't deserve to play AoC because of my "premade" (which it isn't) and that I need to have a computer that has more graphics capabilities than a toaster. Well when you're a stay at home mom on one income and you have a toddler to buy clothes and food for you don't get to allocate all of your financial earnings on a sweet rig.

I should go back to playing WoW with the rest of the dell computer users.

I can run AoC but I've heard through the grape vine that I could run EQ2 faster on my machine on max settings than I could run AoC on minimum settings. Which is not good. Also AoC allegedly looks terrible on min settings.

I hate to say it, but I'd like another "WoW" to come out. Sans the wannabe e-sport. But a game that's financially friendly and with lots to do. Rohan's looking promising.

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Aru

Truthfully, AoC looks terrible, even on the highest settings.
The ground textures are God-awful, the graphics are absolutely mediocre; on the precipice of being sub-par, and the character animations are so clunky and stiff that it's disgusting.

Yrandir

AoC release reminds me of the release of Lotro xD, In beta nobody was able to play it coz of extreme lag xD. And even at high it looked terrible, but after release those were cleared up.

And its not true that it has no new features, the climbing skill is pretty new, and the way the mounts move etc. anyways, you couldn't judge a game on its beta, i thought you guys knew that xD

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Sabertooth77

Open Beta is final , when you go from Open Beta to release , you get almost no change. LOTR didnt offer high res textures , and high res models , because of the download size.

In the preview / early access , anyone who bought early release was given the option of online download (and the choice of high / medium and low res) or getting the game sent to you.

Unlike the online retailers at the time , a game box + pre order was 65.00 with 2 day shipping. Turbine sent out game disc with 3 day shipping (mine arrived on Tuesday and I ordered it friday )

Age of Conan hasnt said anything about high res textures , or clearing up the code.

One thing that is really different about Funcom is so much double talk.