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Attila · 05-23-2008, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kikikool

Protip: Popularity =/= quality

Cyber puts that comment to shame. You sir, phail.

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Originally Posted by Kashis

One person isn't always right but concensus isn't either. The problem is that we are taking opinions as facts and they are not. I've played RF and FFXI and i have to say i think they belong on that list. My brother, an avid FFXI player, disagrees. Is he right because he likes the game? No. Am I right because i dislike the game? No. They are just opinions on popular games.

Form your own opinions on games if you don't like reviews. Don't sit there and say someone else is wrong because you don't like what they are saying.
Everyone has their own opinion on what a good or bad game is.

People need to realize the difference between opinions and facts. Example

Fact - A teacher explains the concept of addition by using 4 tennis balls. He used two from both cans of three tennis balls each for the equation "2+2=4". by placing them into two groups on a table then pushing them together one at a time into one group. The other two tennis balls were placed away from the others because they were just extra and not need for this example. We all know 2 + 2 = 4. Those are the facts

These are opinions given by two students.

Opinion A, the positive opinion - My teacher explained the concept of addition to me really well today by using 4 tennis balls out of the 6 he had to start with. He placed the other two tennis balls to the other side of the table so they wouldn't be in the way of the demonstration. They were all the same color and looked to be the same size and so it was easy to understand that when you add two tennis balls and another two your get four of them. He is a good teacher who fully explains everything and math is simple.

Opinion B, the negative opinion - My teacher explained the concept of addition to me very badly by using 4 tennis balls. He pushed them together one at a time so really wasn't he explaining that 2 + 1 + 1 = 4? And tennis balls are normally supposed to come in cans of three and not two. He didn't use the other two tennis balls, but they were already a part of a group so wasn't he really explaining that 3 - 1 = 3 -1 which is subtraction? He is a bad math teacher who doesn't explain everything well and math is complicated.

You see what I mean?

Exactly, and here's a FACT. WoW's pvp SUCKS. You can't prove it doesn't because just about everything is either unbalanced, too hard to get, requires too much time, requires a good team/guild, it's pointless. etc.

Midclaw · 05-23-2008, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Attila

Cyber puts that comment to shame. You sir, phail.

Exactly, and here's a FACT. WoW's pvp SUCKS. You can't prove it doesn't because just about everything is either unbalanced, too hard to get, requires too much time, requires a good team/guild, it's pointless. etc.

Um...what? I think you need to learn how to differentiate between a fact and an opinion.

kikikool · 05-23-2008, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Attila

Cyber puts that comment to shame. You sir, phail.

Exactly, and here's a FACT. WoW's pvp SUCKS. You can't prove it doesn't because just about everything is either unbalanced, too hard to get, requires too much time, requires a good team/guild, it's pointless. etc.

Not really. We both have the same point, I'm just not long winded about it. Excuse me if I don't feel like writing a short story about something that can be explained in a few words.

Kashis · 05-23-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Attila

Cyber puts that comment to shame. You sir, phail.

Exactly, and here's a FACT. WoW's pvp SUCKS. You can't prove it doesn't because just about everything is either unbalanced, too hard to get, requires too much time, requires a good team/guild, it's pointless. etc.

The only real fact in your statement is "WoW has PVP" that's it. When you start going into the good and bad things about something you are going away from the facts and heading into gray area of opinions. Just like in my example, what those two students got out of the lesson has nothing to do with the fact that "2 + 2 = 4" That doesn't change wether they like the way they learned it or not.

Attila · 05-23-2008, 04:26 AM

Well, in today's gaming world, we have something called "standards". For game to be considered good, for it to be good and get good reviews, it has to have these standards, otherwise it will suck. WoW just fails to go across any.Oh, and I dare you to prove it to me that "WoW's pvp sucks" is just an opinion because I think 2+2=5.

Wolfnite · 05-23-2008, 05:07 AM

O.o wow i dindt exspect this tred to last this long

so like is there any way for me to delet it so it doesnt start a war

like i know it alrdy is

hyarume · 05-23-2008, 08:22 AM

WOW's pvp is LAME.

Kashis · 05-23-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Attila

Well, in today's gaming world, we have something called "standards". For game to be considered good, for it to be good and get good reviews, it has to have these standards, otherwise it will suck. WoW just fails to go across any.Oh, and I dare you to prove it to me that "WoW's pvp sucks" is just an opinion because I think 2+2=5.

Ok...look i'm not saying that WoW's PvP is good or bad. Your view on it is perfectly fine just understand that what you are saying is not a fact it is an opinion. You are doing exactly what i just said people are doing "trying to pass off opinions as facts". Saying WoW's PvP is good or bad for any reason is an opinion, NOT a fact.

hyarume · 05-23-2008, 11:33 AM

See what this thread does to a kitten

~Cannibalisme~ · 05-23-2008, 02:47 PM

wtf are you saying attila, WoW is one of the best pvp games this days.

dont talk about something you dont know.

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Wolfnite Fat Bowser Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 195 Reputation: 10	O.o wow i dindt exspect this tred to last this long so like is there any way for me to delet it so it doesnt start a war like i know it alrdy is

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hyarume Shana-tan FTW!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,859 Reputation: 175	WOW's pvp is LAME.

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~Cannibalisme~ Cloud's Hair Spray Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 70 Reputation: 10	wtf are you saying attila, WoW is one of the best pvp games this days. dont talk about something you dont know.