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isador21

Not to jump in, but morality isn't the only ethics the human mind can follow...
There are actually 3 :
1. Morality (basic code of conduct, based on religious views or universalist thoughts, like Plato's)
2. Virtue (similar, but aims at perfecting certain virtues through your actions)
3. Relativism/Consequencialism (balance out the pros and cons of everything, it's been proven that society can run pretty damn fine with a relativist ethics)

The only reason why arguements on the internet never end is because people state their opinions based on different ethics (sometimes way too ****ing universalist) as if they were facts...
If you state an opinion as a fact, it opens up a discussion
Most people, at that point, enter the discussion with their opinions, sometimes based on the same ethics as others (and group up)...
There's nothing wrong with that, it's not like they're necessarily pumped up in front of their screen...

Philosophy course FTW

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sinnful

I personally follow the idea's of Immanuel Kant who penned Deontology but that is a fairly deep subject.. too deep for these forums

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Transient

There is no such thing as a universal right and wrong, there is no such thing as justice.



PERIOD!


Now shut up!

isador21

That's just relativism...
And justice is defined as the ability to judge based on human equality... It's actually a virtue.

Indeed, way too deep for these forums...

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sKin

But wouldn't both Virture and "Relativism/Consequencialism" fall under Morality/Ethics? From Aristotle's point of view humans aim at one thing - happiness. To achieve happiness one must be virtuous and balance out their soul (not the soul that we think of in today's society), but how can we act towards being Virtuous if we don't establish what's moral and immoral first? The same goes for balancing out the pros and cons; if we are moral the pros and cons will most definitely be different than if we weren't moral. Wouldn't morality thus be at the heart of our subconscious mind? I'm no expert, just throwing it out there.

The witch(es) are insane.

Edit:

According to Plato the IDEA of justice is far greater than it's actual material form here on earth. Justice does exist, but in a realm that humans hardly visit because we are stuck in a (Plato again) cave, only seeing shadows dance across the walls.

And there is such a thing as universal right and wrong. It has been shaped by the philosophers and other brilliant minds that have existed throughout the history of humanity. You think like you do not because you're unique; rather you think like you do because of people who existed before you. People like Francis Bacon, Thoreau, Frederick Douglass, Plato, Aristotle, and many other names which have slipped my memory for the moment.

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Ronin

Well, Cicero said that the ancient greek word for ethic means:
"philosophia moralis" as being the first to deliver a pilosophical defenition to the terminus.

That is why point one is not morality, but "moral ethics", which means nothing but applied, or also customary or habitual morals (which can't be as much attributed to Plato as to the misunderstandings he caused, that are within your ordering continued, if you do him the favour on leave those points out of discussion, where he provably numerously contradicts himself).

Now, that you started on a false premises, you just got yourself handed, for not knowing the difference between a priori and a posteriori.

@sKin:
You are right at least on the terminus, but that still would keep the philosophical history carnal and flawed.
A ulterior claim would be completely unfounded, without a causa a priori, which is still amiss.
(Such would be for example, that humans have a soul, etc.)

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Abhorsen

made a new char, this time playing evil >:] the guy behind me (jericho) is only recruitable if u got negative karma but its worth it lol, he's awesome! after we cleared super duper market he said he could use a ****ing smoke, so i gave him a pack of cigaretes and he actually smokes them lol, including his coughing sounds xD he's always swearing when in combat too xD fits great in a wasteland.

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Kentaro

With a Tablet, I don't know...5-6 months. Overall? ever since I remember, never practiced seriously tho...now I regret it but oh well. As I said I use a Tablet and Photoshop CS4.



Also people please stop spamming, I can see 4 pages of spam with a few screenshots...take your discussions to PM's or make a topic about it.

KyleHavok

Finally got Akiko's Frying Pan after numerous long and tedious quests.





It's totally badass. 250 ATP, but I can't use grinders on it. Ah well.

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Fullmetal

**** you guys are all idiots, shut up, every game sucks, that's all there is to it, some people just like different games, get the **** over it, stop *****ing about dumb shit, please.