hey oister, I thought you might find this kinda funny/interesting. It's from an interview with the singer of a band I like who is basically an old-school punk back when it was very political and arty.
http://swans.pair.com/PRESS/int_sec.html
old school punks were ****ing crazy
search for the passage beginning with the question "Tell me about what happened during the Nitsch performance you were part of? "