Ok. Here's the full scoop. This is the post I left on my guild's website. You guys obviously didn't read the past few edits I made on this post, so I'm re-doing to clarify EVERYTHING. This isn't about just a ks, it's the principle... and you all know (especially after the thing with xtralm) that I'm all about the principle.

"May 2005: ZondaPrince trains at red drakes when a RoyalBlue member comes and kill steals for no apparent reason. The RB member starts flaming harrassing Zonda and threatens to report him based on lies. The RB member brings his reinforcements and starts a war. Zonda has no choice but to bring our reinforecments in. This ks wars lasts 2 1/2 hours.

July 2005: I was training, about to level at z3 when magicjubin (my brother) wanted to come and watch. He hung around at the platform while I went around killing. I travelled to the far right hand side of the map when my bro messaged me, saying there was a guy ksing my map. I ran across to the other side of the map and found DennyBoii ( Level 71 cleric) kill stealing. I asked him to "change channels please", not even the lame "cc please" (F7) but he insisted that he stay. He reported that my brother was afk so that the map was free for him to take. I explained that it wasn't my bro's map, but MY map. He argued that I had left the map so it was free for him to take. I rebutted, said there was no reason for me to leave because I was at 99.89%, just about to level. I asked him to leave the map. DennyBoii kept killing.

3mins of arguing and chasing eachother and I finally leveled IN FRONT OF HIS EYES. Seriously, why on Earth would I leave the map at 99.89%? Even if I was to repot, I would have waited until after I leveled. There's really no reason as to why I would leave the map. And there's nothing he can argue about that because he saw me level with his own eyes. Well, it didn't stop there. I had planned on giving the map to my bro, but this idiot kept ksing. He threatened to bring his RB people and other "high level friends". I told him to do whatever he wanted. Jubin and I had the map while DennyBoii afk'd on the platform. 5mins later, his crew came. I called out to Vanquishers, our people came. I had gotten fed up with RoyalBlue at this point. So I declared war... publicly. Megaphone: I DECLARE WAR! VANQUISHERS VS. ROYALBLUE!

It was pointless to keep ksing at the zmap. I moved to FM where I could speak with my allies and begin organizing a plan. I was talking with our co-leader, richboyxp, when RoyalBlue's 4th division leader found me. I was a bit surprised that it wasn't even their guild leader, icem4n, that came. All negotiations should be made by leader to leader... Nevertheless, it was a slap in the face. He wanted to talk and get the real info about what had happened. I explained to him the story and argued that this war was based on his guild's false accusations and assumptions. He agreed that DennyBoii was wrong for calling me out. He also explained that DennyBoii was a new member of their guild and didn't know any better. They said they didn't want a war. I handed them an ultimatum: A public apology from the guild or DennyBoii himself and immunity from future flames and ksings by their guild towards us. In return, I would drop all charges and call the war off. They discussed this for approximately 10 minutes. Their 4th div leader told me the guild refused to give a public apology, but they were working on something else. Then, I got a message from DennyBoii.

http://www.freewebs.com/vanquishersguild/Maple0004.jpg

For those of you who can't see, DennyBoii says, "hey, hey. im sry but you were in the next map. happy happy?" Let me ask all of you, since when did apologies include the word "but"? Another slap in the face. They weren't taking my ultimatum seriously. I had enough, so I declared war. It was off to Ludi, DT map... and weren't prepared.

Yes, they won the ks war. But what does a ks war really solve? It's obvious that we're out numbered, 1vs. 5divisions. But here's something shocking... during the war I saw Icem4n himself. I asked for him to come meet me and I opened up a chat window. He declined, said it was too late to talk. Since when is it too late to talk? I wasn't even wanting to negotiate! I wanted to explain to him what had happened... From one guild leader to the other. Isn't that the way it should go? But no, he refused and the rest of his guild, not knowing the story or reason behind this entire war, kept going on... flaming and harrassing us.

The next day I got a message from ItzDucky (1st divison co-leader), "Did you learn your lesson from the ks war?" haha~ There was no lesson for me to learn buddy. I asked him if he knew why this war was in place anyway, the only answer he could give me was, "You called us out *****!" I replied with, "I called your guild out because your guildie called me out!" He still had no idea what I was talking about. I told him he could flame me and harrass me AFTER he learned what really happened. Obviously, their guild doesn't even know what they were fighting for, which I find pretty pathetic. Why fight for something you know nothing about? They don't even know what DennyBoii did. Their 4th division leader even admitted to me that they did wrong.

So that's the story. That's what happened on Monday. I am currently working on a conference, not a ks war because that solves nothing. If you know any guild who would like to stand for justice in the game, and to put an end to RoyalBlue's rash behaviour, please have the leader contact me via in-game.

Thanks for your time.
Yoon82

Wow....My friend is In RoyalBlue....
And By GuildWars, you do mean KS wars right? Asking here will not help you much, seeing as how RoyalBlue is full of lvl 70+, and most of this forums Scanians are under lvl 60.

o.0 um i have some friends in royal blue and if you want to ks them lmao ima be on their side and ks you =(

...I'd help but I'm only level 22. Sorry Yoon. :(

Also, I'm sorry I wasn't able to make it to your "Old Forum 57 Members ONLY" meet.

How did this start....? and when? over what?:confused:

this...this si confusing 0.0...i know its your own business yoon...but, do you think you could explain what happened to all of us?...not that i could help you T.T....im really weak

offtopic: @whisker's owner: WHOA...i hope gundel doesn't kill you because you think her as a gun...LMAO ^_^

Lol I saw the megaphones and Emily/Kamilla(whichever were on Frostbites) saying GO VANQUISHERS! I can try getting my guild to help out but how'd it start anyways?

KS war has started....
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1601/maple0794ro0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

all i got....>_<

lol i know alot of peopel in royal blue... but isince i know you i rather not join in at all o.0 srry :( btw i dont think its really a ks war for zomibe... soe asy to kill...idk but they have much more 9x+ in there guild o.0

I came, I saw, I died.................. 5 times...... :(
srry there wuz really nothing i could do with me being lvl 43...

I got ur back Yoon82...lol i saw the Pink thing u made ahhaha I was talking to you...but yea In my guild we got a bunch of lvl 50+ and lvl 60+ so yea ill try to help out we got 25 members...talk to me

HolyPriest12-Leader of guild...Tell me the situation and sure :D

Oh yea... I saw you talking about this on Buddy Chat.
It was me:p I was the one who said 'GO VANQUISHERS' xD
im on neither side... Dont really wanna get involved

LMAO...lol, so emily gave you her account? lol...anyway, i really hope taht this dones't end up as an oNRPG battle...since some onrpgers are on one side...and some are on another >_<

wonder whats happening in the war 0.0

I came with Bahamut but the people that were there when you megaphone'd disapeared in a few minutes so I just left.

um....well, when i was on, it was liek this:
-i bother mayavi a bit =D...stalking him -.-
-met a nice lvl 90,a nd he gave me some clothing to wear
-heard yoon megaphone
-went to ludi channel 4
-say peopel callign yoon a hoe
-tracked yoon, and saw that she was in orbis
-say everyone spam about having a KS was in chronos

and that was it, cause i had to log off early...i hope everyone' alright 0.0....royalblue seemd scary T.T

Anyone besides me totaly confused?

Anyone besides me totaly confused?

Guild one harrasses guild two
Guild two calls upon OnRPG

Over a game? Sounds childish. Too bad I'm not in Scania.

Broa FTW! :3

Yeah, I saw your megaphones.

I woulda came and helped, but my old Assassin was stuck with no stars, since I transfered all of my stuff to my new Assassin.

Oh no, poor you. You got ksed. Ah well.
WHO CARES?! IGNORE IT!
I realse that yes, it IS a zombie map, but you were going to level anyway.
And I'm sure that you would have done your hands/eyes a favour of you had just quit when he came.

I rather not choose sides...
but here's what I have to say about RoyalBlue...
there's only ONE time where I respected them for KSing, and that was the war against SesameStreet...
SesameStreet deserved it, their guild has the most stuck-up, pompous bunch of ksers I have ever heard of...I mean, PureBlood and R00STER teamed up? That's just absurd...
I still applaud them for this, even though PureBlood was my friend, he did a lot of wrong/disrespectful things, such as ksing for no reason.
However, one thing I strongly dislike about RoyalBlue is that, whenever they supposedly get in, or win a KS war...they do nothing but brag about it...and that just removes all respect gained.
Oh, and btw...
I don't think I could explain it clearly as I can think of it..
but to me...I don't consider a person or a few people from a guild KSing someone a guild ks war, because THEY were the ones who started it, so it's THEIR ks war...
The only reason the guild helps out is because they're in the same guild or their friends.
I think it'd be stupid to help/choose sides if a person doesn't even KNOW the person that started it or is in the guild...
"aznphoenix" I think it's better to not get involved, nor say anything, because through what you said, i'd only be slightly surprised if there was an inter-onrpg ks war. -_-

maple story is full of lamers. just let them have things their way. they are probably just a bunch kids or overgrown babies. :eek:

maple story is full of lamers. just let them have things their way. they are probably just a bunch kids or overgrown babies. :eek:
Why let things have them their way? They will brag, showoff, and shove it in.Yoon, If you are certained that you want us to help, don't tell them where you got the help from, because it would only bring onRPG a bad name. And if we lose, that's even worst. I will stop by to check the ks war. Might be kinda fun watching people being ignorant and asses.

All I can say is that this isn't over. And for those of you who side with RB just because you have friends in that guild, is pretty lame. You're supporting a wrong cause. They even know what they did is wrong but they still run around acting vindicated.

well we cant just betray our friends... and if our friend is in royal blue they didnt do ne thing wrong its the person that started it -.-

Well, think of it this way:
If they betray thier friends; their friends would feel bad- Sorta like how you felt when your guild and some other guilds betrayed you.

Just ask yourself this question : Are MS friends or OnRPG friends more important to you?

Just ask yourself this question : Are MS friends or OnRPG friends more important to you?


lmao o.0 when im stuck in that situation i dont want ne part of it -.-

o yea... isnt royalblue run by ic3man? or w/e ur sell it?

yea... Sesame streets are full of noobs..... they all jsut to victoria island at lvl 7x-8x and think they are so tough...... me and a bunch of my friend went to ks them at dts/mdts because my friend made a new acct(lvl48) and his main is lvl 116 ... and they were ksing him at drakes... welll let jsut say they got pwnt... and my friend was the one who requested jealousitems to hack R00Ster ... lmao i almost died of laughter when R00STER got hacked lmao!

Yoon, why don't you clear things up, and tell us what happened, so we can tell which side is wrong from right. And requesting help to join your side, without clarfying what happened is alot more lame.

Oh no, poor you. You got ksed. Ah well.
WHO CARES?! IGNORE IT!
I realse that yes, it IS a zombie map, but you were going to level anyway.
And I'm sure that you would have done your hands/eyes a favour of you had just quit when he came.

I could not agree more.

Ok i read your story or whatever happened. You are going to far. Unless they are still ks'ing you, when you had left, and before you called onRPG to help, then I would agree. But knowing that RoyalBlue has KS'ed me many times, along with Zenkai or w/e, fighting back was right because they will brag about it. Just let this war drop Yoon, and if they still ks you, then you have the right to fight back.

I could not agree more.


i think funge is right to.......its a zombie map.....1hit k.o no use ksing........ and they obviously have alot high lvl people...if it happened to my guild i would back down o.0....

Currently...I think the only two guilds could take on RoyalBlue without the use of affiliates...and those two are Immortal and MSBrothers.
There may be a few more...but those two are for sure.
Unfortunately, Immortal is no more.
However, with the use of affiliates...I know a whole bunch of people that can.
But the thing is...if you're going to ks...go to somewhere where it's NOT a 1hit ko -_-;;
even ksing at yetis/yepe is stupid.
you know, ksing is just stupid in general, and let's just avoid it.

hm. i was actually there during the ks war but the ks war didn't take place at zombies? it took place at death teddies. I don't understand how ksing at zombies would move to death teddies.

Btw, even though I'm a member of RoyalBlue, I'm not backing up RB just because I'm in it. Before other RB members came to the map, I was the only one there. All the Vanquishers and their allies were there laughing at me, and claiming that RoyalBlue's chickened out. Yoon even sent out a supermegaphone saying that RoyalBlue has chickened out on the ks war. I think she was just provoking it.

But then again, ksing should not get guild members related since it's only a matter among a FEW people who started it. The person who got ksed (in this case, Yoon) spamming with supermegaphone insulting RoyalBlue will do nothing but worsen the situation ANDDDD piss off other RB members who did NOT want to get involved. -_-;;

However, I feel bad that you got ksed, but it happens everywhere. Get over it.

Oh, just one more thing. Keep in mind that not everyone in the guild is the same. Just because someone's in a certain guild does not make that person a KS-er or whatever. It is the person behind the computer with THAT ign doing the ksing. Keep the guild out of it.

hm. i was actually there during the ks war but the ks war didn't take place at zombies? it took place at death teddies. I don't understand how ksing at zombies would move to death teddies.

Btw, even though I'm a member of RoyalBlue, I'm not backing up RB just because I'm in it. Before other RB members came to the map, I was the only one there. All the Vanquishers and their allies were there laughing at me, and claiming that RoyalBlue's chickened out. Yoon even sent out a supermegaphone saying that RoyalBlue has chickened out on the ks war. I think she was just provoking it.

But then again, ksing should not get guild members related since it's only a matter among a FEW people who started it. The person who got ksed (in this case, Yoon) spamming with supermegaphone insulting RoyalBlue will do nothing but worsen the situation ANDDDD piss off other RB members who did NOT want to get involved. -_-;;

However, I feel bad that you got ksed, but it happens everywhere. Get over it.

Oh, just one more thing. Keep in mind that not everyone in the guild is the same. Just because someone's in a certain guild does not make that person a KS-er or whatever. It is the person behind the computer with THAT ign doing the ksing. Keep the guild out of it.
Finaly, this really clarifys alot. Thank you. Yoon, do you have anything to say to this, because right now, it looks like you lit up the spark in causing this war to explode.

true...yet i did see a lot of epopel in RB saying stuff like " OMG, SHE'S IN ORBIS, lmao, she's chickening out....that hoe. come on, vanquishers suck, RB PWNS..

basically, i DID see a lot of rb member calling yoon a lot of names -.-

rofl now tats funny too bad i missd it =( i wanted to go see

see? see what? 0.0....anyway...i kinda thinkt aht RB isn't exactly the "NICEST" epople around...not all of them, but, meh.

PS: i looked funny jumping around all naked in the flame war =P

see? see what? 0.0....anyway...i kinda thinkt aht RB isn't exactly the "NICEST" epople around...not all of them, but, meh.

PS: i looked funny jumping around all naked in the flame war =P

Well what do you expect if its a KS war?

Read the very first comment of this thred. I've made a huge edit for those that didn't get the full scoop.

see? see what? 0.0....anyway...i kinda thinkt aht RB isn't exactly the "NICEST" epople around...not all of them, but, meh.

PS: i looked funny jumping around all naked in the flame war =P

Not every one in Rb is Bad jsut some people.... we all have a not so "nice" peopel in our guild o.0....


i ahve lots of friend in RB but they are cool..but i also know ones that are not so nice

I understand that you guys have friends in this guild, but what are friends and alliances for? To stand around and fight when your help is needed? It's more than that... in fact, when you see your friend's guild doing something wrong you should bring it to their attention.

It just surprises me that you guys sit there and flame me for being "immature" and "nonreasonable" when you don't even know the extent of the story.

Well, the full story has been posted. Go read for yourselves.

It's the principle... when my allies do wrong, I let them know what their problems are and I try to help negotiate peace... I don't just jump into hot boiling water...

Oh no, poor you. You got ksed. Ah well.
WHO CARES?! IGNORE IT!
I realse that yes, it IS a zombie map, but you were going to level anyway.
And I'm sure that you would have done your hands/eyes a favour of you had just quit when he came.
its not just a single ks. its been many times. ive been ksed by them at wraths.
they just walk into a map and call it theirs

I wish you were in Bera. I'd call out my guild, IronArrows, and rape those *****es with our 1xx Snipers and such. xD

I wasn't going to get involved but it seems I will have to...

But from what I can see, it is only the select few members that have a stick up their asses. Request that all the members found harrassing other players must be kicked from the guild.

So to my fellow OnRPGers, help Lynn as a favor to me, and not as a favor to Lynn. As I switched to Bera, I gave my account to her, and I have no ability to help her. She has been a good friend in MS and OnRPG both. I know her better than most people on MS/OnRPG do so I know that she would never declare war for a small reason.
RB has consistently been harrassing and flaming other players with the thought and mindset that they are superior to all other players and that BR is superior to all other guilds. Without anyone saying or doing anyhing, their egos just grow and grow, until they convice themselves to believe they are Gods, literally.
Some people may think, "Yeah, BR is that cool guild with good people in it. Maybe they got some bad people but what's it to me, I got a friend in it." If you side with Lynn, then you should have a great justification to your BR friend(s) on why you are with Vanquishers. If they do not understand and are upset by the matter, they aren't worth beign friends.

I have said it once and I'll repeat it again and again, Lynn is a great friend to me so help her as you are helping me.

If you decide not to join Lynn, it'll rest on me that the Vanquishers will have this great burden on their shoulders. Just think, if you were in a Guild that was beat in a KS war and for the rest of the Guild's existence, the KS War's Winning Guild would harrass you and the Guild.
It's good to give a second chance, a bit more slack, but if you give too much, you might as well forget about winning.

well, now with adam -.-, i can't resist..

i guess i could help out...but, what could i do? i can't really KS or anythign...unless i try to find out my friends pin -.-, and i dont' like hacking someone, even IF i hate them...

A bit of ranting : It seems like you guys are just trying to make all the people in RoyalBlue the ultimate BAD GUYS. Acting as if all the ksers and the meanies came from RoyalBlue.

If you really wanted to negotiate, then why bother spamming supermegaphones saying insults? That's not a part of a negotiation that's supposed to be peaceful.

Btw, who's the 4th division leader that you kept talking about? I just want to make sure that you did not get the wrong person. That person in the image is not the 4th division leader.

If it was an issue among a few people, why would the whole guild give a public apology? That's like stepping on all the innocent ones.

Dennyboii's exact statement was, "hey" "hey" "im sry" "but" "u were at the next map" "but" "i am sry" "for ksing". I must say that everything else that he said was irrelevant and would be much smarter if he had never said them.

The ks war was not 1 division vs 5 divisions.
-When I arrived at death teddies, I saw what happened before all the other RoyalBlue came for the "ks war". Other than Vanquishers there were many other allies of Vanquishers being there for enforcement or backup. You were really prepared for the ks war against RB, with all your allies coming to assist you guys. So I would say that it was quite fair with all the people from your guild and allies vs RB's divisions.

I'm not gonna say anything about what happened between RB and ZondaPrince, because I was not a member of RB yet.
However I'm curious about one thing: someone went to the map and ks-ed, and the RB members started flaming and harrassing and threatening based on lies (i'm assuming calling him a scammer or hacker? That's what you said before you edited your post) How sure can you be that those weren't true?
I personally don't think people would start flaming, harrassing and threatening if someone did not provoke it. The provoking may be done by ZondaPrince, his friends, his allies, or some members in RB. I don't know the whole story; I rest my case.

So, you were tracking when the ksing was done. Two times ks-ing among people that you can count with your ten fingers, and you're declaring war and turning at least 100 people into enemies against each other.
If you were trying to fight for what is right, I applaud you; however, declaring war is not a smart or right thing to do. I think it's a waste of time and energy, and making maplestory less enjoyable.

KSing happens to everyone everywhere. I'm sure this everyone must agree on. Most people would either change channel FROM the kser to save themselves some annoyance and time, or the kser would be nice enough to cc. When the latter does not happen, people might take the choice before.
You levelled already, and right in front of his face too, so why bother staying in zombie map? You had already showed him that you were right that you were in the map training already, but still declaring war when you could've just left? Oh right, you wanted to give the map to your brother. Excuse me, I forgot about that line.

Anyways, I'm just gonna sum up my opinion:
-Declaring war just because ONE person from RoyalBlue went to ks your zombie map is utterly stupid. Okay, so there was another incident before this! It was TWO months ago. Isnt it time for you to get over it?

Ok Ok EVEN If the whole onrpg went on ur side Yoon we would still lose ....

Me ,Gundel , wayne,verosii, scickmot are the strongest in scania only place we can take them down is grims? Still idk they are very strong and they brag about it....

Ok sometime in all of your futures, I mean everyone single one of you, if you don't die of course, you will be worrying about making money, getting a home, finding a job. And then you'll look back at this and see how pathetic and stupid this was. Im sorry if I sound like a ***** but think about it, do you see how sad this is? It's a game and you get mad cause of something that doesn't make sense. You could have ignored it and chose to have fun but instead start a war. Please tell me this is not how real life wars start cause then we're screwed.

No offense or anything but the guy did say sorry, just accept it and move on. Just cause he said a 3 letter word doesn't mean you can't accept his apology.

How do you know the leader didn't know the story? I'm pretty sure the guy that 'ksed' you would have told him.

How exactly did he ks you? It's a public game, anyone can be on any map there is no rule. To ks, you should have hit that monster first and then he hit it second time, killing it. But it sounds more to me like he was killing a monster in which you never touched but just happened to be on the same map, that's not ksing.

MAYBE RoyalBlue have been disrespectful, but in THIS event, in my opinion I'd have to side with them.

I don't mean to be mean it's just this is a game and come on, everyone just needs to relax right? Do you really REALLY need to have this fight? There are people on the other side of the world, fighting to stay alive and you fight because of a painless ment to be fun gaming incident that has no physical effect on you whatsoever but angers you to a point where you do something so pointless that you are wasting time when you could be eating a cookie?

or maybe I got this all wrong but this is what I got from teh story so far...

A bit of ranting : It seems like you guys are just trying to make all the people in RoyalBlue the ultimate BAD GUYS. Acting as if all the ksers and the meanies came from RoyalBlue.

If you really wanted to negotiate, then why bother spamming supermegaphones saying insults? That's not a part of a negotiation that's supposed to be peaceful.

Btw, who's the 4th division leader that you kept talking about? I just want to make sure that you did not get the wrong person. That person in the image is not the 4th division leader.

If it was an issue among a few people, why would the whole guild give a public apology? That's like stepping on all the innocent ones.

Dennyboii's exact statement was, "hey" "hey" "im sry" "but" "u were at the next map" "but" "i am sry" "for ksing". I must say that everything else that he said was irrelevant and would be much smarter if he had never said them.

The ks war was not 1 division vs 5 divisions.
-When I arrived at death teddies, I saw what happened before all the other RoyalBlue came for the "ks war". Other than Vanquishers there were many other allies of Vanquishers being there for enforcement or backup. You were really prepared for the ks war against RB, with all your allies coming to assist you guys. So I would say that it was quite fair with all the people from your guild and allies vs RB's divisions.

I'm not gonna say anything about what happened between RB and ZondaPrince, because I was not a member of RB yet.
However I'm curious about one thing: someone went to the map and ks-ed, and the RB members started flaming and harrassing and threatening based on lies (i'm assuming calling him a scammer or hacker? That's what you said before you edited your post) How sure can you be that those weren't true?
I personally don't think people would start flaming, harrassing and threatening if someone did not provoke it. The provoking may be done by ZondaPrince, his friends, his allies, or some members in RB. I don't know the whole story; I rest my case.

So, you were tracking when the ksing was done. Two times ks-ing among people that you can count with your ten fingers, and you're declaring war and turning at least 100 people into enemies against each other.
If you were trying to fight for what is right, I applaud you; however, declaring war is not a smart or right thing to do. I think it's a waste of time and energy, and making maplestory less enjoyable.

KSing happens to everyone everywhere. I'm sure this everyone must agree on. Most people would either change channel FROM the kser to save themselves some annoyance and time, or the kser would be nice enough to cc. When the latter does not happen, people might take the choice before.
You levelled already, and right in front of his face too, so why bother staying in zombie map? You had already showed him that you were right that you were in the map training already, but still declaring war when you could've just left? Oh right, you wanted to give the map to your brother. Excuse me, I forgot about that line.

Anyways, I'm just gonna sum up my opinion:
-Declaring war just because ONE person from RoyalBlue went to ks your zombie map is utterly stupid. Okay, so there was another incident before this! It was TWO months ago. Isnt it time for you to get over it?



very well worded i agree on all parts..

royal blue 4th division leader is icem4n
but i hear from their guild people that he got banned
lmao RB leader got banned

oh and swtmage
this hasnt happended once, not even twice
but over 5 times to our guild

and rayl
level 8x priests cant even 1hko zombies so dont blame a level 7x ice mage with a cromi

Ok. Before I go on to my rebuttal to SwtMage:

Jubin, Icem4n is NOT the 4th division leader. Icem4n is the RB main leader. The to whoever said that the dude in the pic was not the 4th div leader, you're right... he's not. He was logged on another character.

Every guild will have their good and bad guys. Unfortunately, for most of the people I've talked with (and this could be coincidental) they've had bad run-in's with RB. I'm not saying they're all horrible as I'm sure there are some good folks in there. But let's face it, they're not the nicest bunch ever.

The negotiation... I tried discussing things at the zmap. Didn't work. I moved to FM where I could have a clear area to talk with my allies. RB tracked me and wanted to know what happened. I gave them detailed info about what happened. I tried to negotiate. We spent 30-45mins. negotiating and I got a slap in the face. An apology is an apology... there are no if, and, or buts. All DennyBoii had to say was, "I'm sorry". that's it. 2 words. He couldn't even do that. Instead, he had to let his ego in the way and add the entire "but you left the map".

I had asked the guild for an apology because they all came after me when it was their guildie who called me out. If you misread, Dennyboii called me out. I got fed up after dealing with him and his guild members so I then called his guild out. When you're in a guild, you represent that guild. If my guild member did something disrespectful to someone else, that looks bad on me and my guild. DennyBoii was responsible, but he was also representing a big guild. I wouldn't have hurt them to make an apology... but no, their ego had to get in the way....

I don't really know what you're talking about when you say I had all my allies there. People showed up who I didn't even know, guilds I never allied with. They probably just read my megaphone and showed up. Who knows. But technically, it was 1 div vs. 5divs.

Story about ZondaPrince: You're right, I wasn't there to witness the birth of that war. But why would a guild just come out of nowhere with 7 people and start ksing one person? The other 2 people on that map just left because they couldn't put up with RB. Zonda felt it wasn't right what RB was doing.
And I agree, the issue happened 2 months ago... I SHOULD forget it. I just think it's weird that RB is the only guild we've ever encountered problems with. We have no other enemies. We get along fine with everyone else.

The game is less enjoyable when guilds try to run around and dictate what goes on. If DennyBoii weren't so persistent and such an ***, then I would have just given him the map. Actually, I had told Jubin at one point to just leave. But DennyBoii kept harrassing and provoking things.

You ask people who know me in MS and in this forum. I'm not one to just jump down someone's throat for no reason. I'm doing this for a just cause within the game.

For all you guys that sit there and say "this is just a game this is just a game..." yeah, it is a game. I don't spend my waking moments on MS, I don't ponder and worry about losing money or how I'm going to afford the newest equips. I work. I study. I teach. I have a social life.
But yeah, ksing, wars, having enemies is all part of gaming. So in a way, you can't sit there and say, "get over it. it's just a game..." this is part of the game and I'm trying to get things straight so no one else has to deal with this crap.

I did make several attempts to negotiate. RB didn't follow through and wanted no part of it. And in case you guys weren't online to see them, they too sent out megaphones as well. Your arguements aren't just.

" I travelled to the far right hand side of the map "

All DennyBoii had to say was, "I'm sorry". that's it. 2 words. He couldn't even do that. Instead, he had to let his ego in the way and add the entire "but you left the map".


ERR so did you leave the map or didnt you?

Everytime you say 'negotiate' you make it sound like some sorta business thing which I don't think is part of a game...

royal blue 4th division leader is icem4n
but i hear from their guild people that he got banned
lmao RB leader got banned


Leader of 4th division is NOT icem4n, and he did NOT get banned. He's still active and playing.

Keep in mind that it's only a certain several members who ks, not the whole RB guild.

Leader of 4th division is NOT icem4n, and he did NOT get banned. He's still active and playing.

Keep in mind that it's only a certain several members who ks, not the whole RB guild.

I corrected my brother. And yea, I understand that DennyBoii is one person in the guild... but he represents that guild. If you don't want that kind of burden, you shouldn't be in one.

And to Mayavi, no, I did NOT leave the map. I made that clear before. If I had left the map, I would have obviously lost it. It wouldn't be mine. I'd have absolutely nothing to argue over.

Rayl, there's negotiating in everything you do in everyday life. We negotiate prices when we're even shopping in FM. -.-

rofl now tats funny too bad i missd it =( i wanted to go see
Honestly...if you have nothing more commodious to say, then don't say it at all...currently you're only provoking, from what I see, what is not RoyalBlue.

Ok Ok EVEN If the whole onrpg went on ur side Yoon we would still lose ....

Me ,Gundel , wayne,verosii, scickmot are the strongest in scania only place we can take them down is grims? Still idk they are very strong and they brag about it....
That's not true...have you forgotten about allies already?
That sounds like some crazy oxymoron/contradiction to me...it took awhile for me to even register that...
First you say you guys are the strongest, but you guys can't take down what isn't, according to you, the strongest? What the hell...
however, if I were to be more dehiscent [figuratively] about what you said...and overlook that oxymoron...then i'd say you're wrong...
it IS possible to "defeat" RB...
You are right about one thing though, they DO brag a whole lot.


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Anyways, Yoon is right, a guild member isn't just a member of that guild, that single person...along with every other single person...is a representation, a symbol for that guild...and only together do they compose, rather MAKE-UP that guild.
@swtmage: Though you may be reasonable, so is Yoon...


This is what I began thinking when I read this thread ...I was thinking that Yoon's conjuring up beef for no reason and even before that, I didn't like RB a whole lot, but I still sided with them, because I felt that they were right. Then, I read swtmage or something's post...which reassured me that Yoon was right...
[B]BUT it wasn't until AFTER I read Yoon's major edit, that I began to become neutral again.
So up until that point, it was who has the more legitimacy and reason. After that point, it was who had more seniority, and priority...and as an OnRPG member, I sided with Yoon. I know it may sound absurd, but what else do you do when everythings even and you feel you should do something about it, unlike some people making the situation worst by provoking another person or just being a total ***.
In conclusion, it's not about "who's your friend and who isn't" even if it IS your friend that got into the KS war...just because they're you're damn friend doesn't mean that they can slide with every little thing, they need to learn as well...learning from mistakes is the most productive thing one can do to increase one's knowledge. If it's you're damn friend that's doing wrong, INFORM them, don't just supply them with more anger so that they would continue this on...nor give into them just because they're you're friend...
REMEMBER, by informing them that they're ultimately wrong, is HELPING them, not betraying them.

I spent almost half an hour, reading this thread. I'm not taking anyone's side, but this is my response.

YOU GOT KSED. SO WHAT.
RB IS A GUILD FULL OF EGOMANIACS. SO WHAT.
RB KSED MANY GUILDS BEFORE. SO WHAT.
DENNYBOII GAVE YOU AN ATTITUDE. SO WHAT.
YOU'VE HAD MULTIPLE BAD RUN-INS WITH RB. SO WHAT.

You've had multiple bad run-ins with the guild, and a guy KSed you. I understand that he represents the guild, but HE KSED YOU. KSing goes on every ****ing day, in every ****ing map with monsters, in every ****ing world. Your incident isn't special, whatsoever. You have some good points, but those were all directed to OTHER PEOPLE'S RESPONSES. Whatever ****ing background RB has, it was ONE incident of KSing. Get over it. Don't say I don't understand the situation, I understand it very well. YOU GOT KSED.

Edit:

Ok, Alex gave me a few more points. He tried to compare this with an RL situation. RL and MS are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Two different WORLDS. What happens RL affects you, and what happens in MS affects what. 100 pixels. Like I said, I don't care WHAT background RB has, it was a KS. It goes on everyday.

wtf is poitn of ks wars...... LOL

wow I laugh at u people

maplestory is just a game.
why not just switch channels instead of wasting hours of pointless time that could be spent training

OMG it's just a game! Get on with life. Shit happens. >.<

Adding to my post, after debating with Alex about this situation, I have another response.

I understand that people handle things differently. My post was just saying what I would've done, and what you should've done, IMO. You don't HAVE to do whatever we say you should've could've or would've done. These are just our opinions. I wanted to clarify that.

I do understand how you guys view this as...
however, it's the fact that you guys say it in such a reckless, provoking, calamitous way that pisses me off.
If you're trying to talk some sense into a person, you reason with them...you don't bash the living shit out of them through words.
Learn to ****ing calm your tone through the internet, as you should with life...I hope you don't go up to a person IRL and try to reason with them by screaming, "I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD DO THAT, THAT IS STUPID!"
Instead, say it calmly...
The way you guys are telling her to let it go flashes the words 'Jackass' to me.

edit// didn't state something correctly.

ummm be civil?
im locking this before it gets messy
*LOCKED*